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Feb 19, 2002
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see that new "advert" at the top of adequacy pages - the one about HyperMints. Well I kind of wondered why the link for it points to: http://64.177.227.227/hype when all it does is redirect us to http://www.hypermints.com/ Why not just link straight to there?
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Is this Social Engineering? (none / 0) (#1)
by Adam Rightmann on Tue Feb 19th, 2002 at 09:27:29 AM PST
I don't know much about hackers other than T. Reginald Gibbon's masterful article, but this seems to be an instance of Social Engineering, where Potato Error attempts to gain crucial information about Adequacy's backend infrastructure in an attempt to hack the site. Please fellow editors, do not give up this crucial information.


A. Rightmann

It is a fair question. (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Feb 19th, 2002 at 09:34:08 AM PST
The tasty, refreshing HyperMints website is at hypermints.com, there is no need to go halfway around the 'web to get to it. The adequacy editors, in their infinite wisdom, are creating needless mystery and intrigue. If they decline to answer Mr Error's question, perhaps they should remove the source of his "itch" by pointing the advert directly at the tangy and snappy hypermints.com.


Don't confuse the name of something (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Feb 19th, 2002 at 10:10:05 AM PST
With the thing itself. The map is not the territory. Likewise, the fqdn is not the IP address. Rather than waste our readers time with a pointless, and potentially time-wasting query to the DNS database, adequacy.org has helpfully 'cached' this information by retrieving it on your behalf.

This means that adequacy's much-debated commercialization should have as little impact on your overall adequacy experience as possible.

Nobody is pulling the wool over anyones eyes. Adequacy's elite group of unix experts have added this advanced optimization to make things better for YOU, the adequacy reader.


Unix Experts? (none / 0) (#6)
by jvance on Tue Feb 19th, 2002 at 10:52:57 AM PST
According to this article, Adequacy is hosted on Windows 2000 machines running IIS.

I think you're just another Hacker Liar, Mr. Reader.


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ho hum (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Feb 19th, 2002 at 02:53:18 PM PST
Adequacy is hosted on Windows 2000 machines running IIS.

We have been over this countless number of times. We read all about how this site runs on Windows. We have heard all about how it's totally proprietary. We have even read about how it was heavily modified open source code that was made proprietary (licenses be damned). We have yet to read an intelligent explanation of how this site runs SCOOP (which only runs on unices) somehow runs on Windows.

If you check out uptime.netcraft.com you will find out what this site runs.

Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) mod_perl/1.26 on FreeBSD


uptime.netcraft.com is inaccurate (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Feb 19th, 2002 at 10:01:14 PM PST
I use nothing but MS Windows for my Internet stuff and when I went to check my server at uptime.netcraft.com it generated a report that my website was also Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) mod_perl/1.26 on FreeBSD so that shoots their credibility to bits.



And just because the admins are elite unix experts (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 12:34:57 AM PST
Doesn't mean they cannot admin NT or 2000 just as well. Most Unix admins find NT and W2K extremely easy to administrate, if a little frustrating.


Please Cease Your Libel (none / 0) (#17)
by jvance on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 12:51:50 AM PST
Calling the Editors "elite unix experts" - you might as well be calling them mass murderers!

But your point is taken. Both Windows 2000 and Lunix are based on Xenix, a Microsoft proprietary operating system. Of course, W2K is the only legitimate product that can claim that pedigree. Lunix was developed from source code stolen by the KGB, which was then purchased by the Russian Mafia and traded to one Linux Torvaldovich. We're not sure exactly of the terms of the barter, except that it involved an exceptionally heavy backpack or suitcase.
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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

Well,... (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 02:28:43 AM PST
Calling the Editors "elite unix experts" - you might as well be calling them mass murderers!

But they are. And so would any other fine, upstanding patriotic citizens. Please support the destruction of the "Axis of Evil".

By the way, love the new signature, jvance.

Reading this comment is a crime. Please report yourself to your nearest police station.


Damn (none / 0) (#27)
by jvance on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 08:07:41 AM PST
<i>"Reading this comment is a crime. Please report yourself to your nearest police station."</i>
<p>
I was going to add something similar to that, but I didn't think I had enough room. It also got too long-winded
<p>
I'd like a concise and elegant way of conveying the concepts involved: reading is copying, copying is illegal, therefore you're a criminal. Or should I just leave that last part implied?
<p>
Any suggestions?
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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

How about (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 11:49:21 AM PST
You do not have my permission to read the above comment. You have infringed my copyrights. Send infringement fine of $50 to PO Box 12345, Hicksville.


How's this? (none / 0) (#29)
by jvance on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 12:10:07 PM PST
I incorporated your "report yourself to the police" idea. I thought it was rather clever.


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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

Actually... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Feb 21st, 2002 at 09:58:37 AM PST
I just got the patent on self-incriminating signatures. I feel we should come to a reciprocal licensing agreement.


 
nice research, just kidding (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 01:08:44 PM PST
Both Windows 2000 and Lunix are based on Xenix, a Microsoft proprietary operating system.

First off Windows 2000 is based off of Windows NT and is not compatible with Unis on the binary or source level (without the aid of third party software).

Here's a little history lesson for ya. During the creation of Unix AT&T was still barred from selling computer hardware and software. Instead of selling Unix threy licensed it. It even freely licensed the code to universities. The most notable being UCBerkely (BSD Unix).

Microsoft also licensed much of the Unix code for the Bell Labs (AT&T). They used this to create Xenix. Microsoft never used the code in various project nor sold it (they did however use BSD code in the TCP/IP stack for Windows). Instead they turned around and licensed it to other organisations. So let's see if you license it to other organisation and they can do whatever they want with it, it's not proprietary.

Both the Santa Cruz Operation (which own the rights to the Unix source code) and the Open Group (which owns the rights to the Unix trademark) have reviewed the code and concluded that Linux does not use any of the licensed Unix system code. The most notable Xenix based OS was for Tandy computers. When was the last time you saw Tandy computers?

My proof

Gee since W2K is based on WinNT would it too be able to claim the right? Duh.

Lunix was developed from source code stolen by the KGB, which was then purchased by the Russian Mafia and traded to one Linux Torvaldovich. We're not sure exactly of the terms of the barter, except that it involved an exceptionally heavy backpack or suitcase.

This is funny. You can't even spell Linux or Linus Torvalds correctly (who is Finnish) and want us to believe any of this? Proof?


WARNING: (none / 0) (#33)
by elenchos on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 02:52:53 PM PST
The anonymous post above has originated with a suspected hacker. We must assume that the link using the deceptively inocuous name "My Proof" is in reality a hacker link. If you follow this link, you do so AT YOUR OWN RISK. Severe damage can result from following hacker links, and Adequacy.org cannot be responsible for what happens if you ignore this warning.

Given the hacker threat, I cannot at this time risk deleting this post without first ensuring that it is not booby trapped. For now, I am placing it under special quarantine and alterting our security staff.

Please remain calm, and do not encourage further hacking by antagonizing any other hacker terrorists that you see posting here. Thank you.


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


whoa elenchos (none / 0) (#36)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 03:47:46 PM PST
Gee this suspected hacker has really done his homework. The link points to the Web Site of The Open Group. Included is a timeline of the various Unix systems included those which were developed using the licensed Xenix code from Microsoft. The variants were developed by SCO, and Siemens SNI.

The following is information found at the website.
What about Linux?
Developed by Linus Torvalds, Linux is a product that mimics the form and function of a UNIX system, but is not derived from licensed source code. Rather, it was developed independently; by a group of developers in an informal alliance on the net. A major benefit is that the source code is freely available (under the GNU copyleft), enabling the technically astute to alter and amend the system; it also means that there are many, freely available, utilities and specialist drivers available on the net.

Recent versions of Glibc include much functionality from the Single UNIX Specification, Version 2 (for UNIX 98).
What about Windows� NT?
Microsoft� Windows NT was developed as a completely new, state of the art, 32 bit operating system. As such, it has no connection with the UNIX system source code. However, market demand for POSIX.1 , POSIX.2 has led to developments by several companies of add-ons that provide partial functionality. Should the functionality meet the requirements of the UNIX brand then indeed it could become a registered UNIX system.



Sure, big fella. Whatever you say. (none / 0) (#39)
by elenchos on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 05:07:37 PM PST
So while we're just shooting the breeze here, can you give your name? Where you at, anyway? Cold there? Any plans to stay in the same location for the next couple hours?

You know, we don't really have anything against hackers. You know that right? Sure you do.

Hey, tell me about Lunix again. That was real good. And if you could just say a couple words about your location...?


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


sure why not (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 09:01:03 PM PST
As if would make any difference. Oh what call the FBI see if I care. They'll visit the link and find you're just paranoid. Then they'll shut down this site for wasting their time.

I'm at my home in Independence, Missouri. And by the way...I'm not a fella.


 
You're Wrong, NAWL (none / 0) (#34)
by jvance on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 02:53:04 PM PST
Nobody cares about your ill-informed gibberings. Your seriously expect anyone to consider some raving lunixic's website as proof?

I would play your little tit for tat "my proof is better than your proof" game. However, I cannot. My sources are classified, and just by mentioning their existence I may be jeopardizing my Top Secret clearance.

Have a nice day.
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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

who/what is NAWL? (none / 0) (#35)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 03:34:58 PM PST
I I have been posting here for a little while and sometimes when I post rebutals I receive this label. Who or What is NAWL?


 
cannot, will not (none / 0) (#37)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 03:55:09 PM PST
However, I cannot. My sources are classified, and just by mentioning their existence I may be jeopardizing my Top Secret clearance.


More like you do not have any of this information. I am starting top think that jvance, osm, and Yoshi are all the same person. None of you can provide even a single shred of evidence to support any claims that you make. Let me rephrase that. You cannot back up anything without pointing to article written at Adequacy.org that haven't already been picked apart for factual innacuracies and stupidities. Hello, doesn't make it a good source then does it?

And for your information Linux was brought to life when Linus Torvalds created a kernel that worked similar to Minix not Xenix. We have seen this Xenix argument before with different timelines that don't make sense. We have also seen the "it's just stolen Minix code" too. Would you people at least try to get you make believe stories straight?

I mean you can't even spell Linus Torvalds' name correctly let alone stop making things up. Oh maybe he changed his name right? Linux was written in 1990 and released to the world in 1991. This was while he was a student at the University of Helsinki. Can you even present a timeline that makes sense? Please take into account how long Xenix has been around as well as Linus' age thank you. Oh and explain as to why Microsoft isn't pissing and moaning about Linux using Xenix code? After all it would be the easiest way to kill it. But they can't because it isn't.


This 'Linux Tovaltz' person... (none / 0) (#38)
by elenchos on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 05:01:35 PM PST
...never existed until after the fall of the Soviet Union. He is a Communist agent who smuggled his hacker-friendly weapon against the West, Lunix, into Finland where he set up under the guise of a "student". Has anyone ever checked his story out?

Simple question: have you ever listened to him speak? NPR interviewed him; it's on the web, along with other audio of his voice. Does he sound anything like any Finn you ever heard? Play his voice to any objective person you can find, and I gurantee they will peg him for a Russian instantly.

Everyone knows all this; it is only hackers who go on denying the obvious.


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


oh yes (none / 0) (#41)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 09:23:44 PM PST
He is a Communist agent who smuggled his hacker-friendly weapon against the West, Lunix, into Finland where he set up under the guise of a "student". Has anyone ever checked his story out?

Well I don't know about Linux Tovaltz, but let's talk about Linus Torvalds. Sure no one knoew about him before he released Linux and became popular. The same could be said about Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Nobody knew anything about them until they did something big. Let's compile a list of everyone who became faous or did anything during the fall of Communist Russia or just afterwards. I guess they are all Communists too huh?

Yes he is a communist. Yes the fact that Linux was under the public domain and not under the GPL when it was first release to the world makes no difference. In a way it had an even less restrictive license than say FreeBSD.

As far as checking out his story yes was a student at the University of Helsinki. He has a webpage at the university web site. Wonder why no one has bothered to take it down. Also I would think that Transmeta Corp based in California would have done a background check before hiring him.

As for his voice maybe you should check that NPR clip again. More can be found here. And what exactly does a Finnish person sound like? Do all Americans sound alike? Should all Finnish? All French, Russians, Chinese, Mexican, etc. don't sound alike. It's called dialect elenchos. I can speak Spanish with one Mexican person and not be fully understood by another because of dialect or even a different rate of speech this person is used to. And form what I can tell Linus sounds almost exactly like the Finnish being interviewed as I watched the Olympics. Maybe they are all really Soviet spies too huh?


The truth about Gates and Jobs... (none / 0) (#44)
by elenchos on Thu Feb 21st, 2002 at 12:27:20 PM PST
...is the subject for another investigation. Adequacy's on it, you can be sure.

But Bill Gates and Steve Jobs aren't promoting a communist operating system, which is what Lunix is, no matter if it disguises itself as BSD or Minix. (Yes, I know about Darwin, and rest assured, people are watching "Apple" closely. Very closely.)

None of this gets Torvalz off the hook, no matter what dirt you dig up about other people. That would be pure moral relativism.

You concede he has a Russian accent? And would you be so kind as to admit openly that you have never heard what a native speaker of Finnish sounds like in English? You have no idea what Linux ought to sound like. So you just try to confuse things with all this blather about dialects. Linux does not speak a "dialect" of English. He speaks English as a second language, with a heavy accent. Unlike you, I know Russian-accented English, and I know Finnish-Accented English (my whole family comes from Iowa, for crying out loud!) and I'm here to tell you that the man has a Russian accent!

And he has no history prior to the fall of the Soviet Union. And he promotes hacking (i.e. terrorism). And he is pushing a purely Communist philosophy. And he created a Communist operating system.

I'm only a computer scientist, so much of this is outside my field of study. But even I can see the major items of evidence against Linux Tovaltos. Imagine what a specialst could uncover!


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


USSA (none / 0) (#45)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Feb 21st, 2002 at 03:39:39 PM PST
I gues that means that America is a communist goverment then huh? What do I mean by this?

The US has supporter and continues to support open source, open standards development. It has funded various projects by even...RICHARD STALLMAN! The US governement fully supports hackers (in the old sense of the word). Maybe when you can actually provide a decent shred of proof and stop hiding behind the "I'm say I'm smart so I don't have to prove anything". Wouldn't it be nice if your doctor believe that same crap?

Doctor to patient
I'm going to inject you with this drug. No there is no proof it won't kill you. But I'm an intellectual and therefore you must believe me

Nobody believe anything you guys right. The only reason anyone comes here or links to this site is to point out your stupidity and and laugh. The sooner you realize that, the better off you'll be.

The Origins and Future of Open Source Software

Internet2


background check (none / 0) (#46)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Feb 21st, 2002 at 04:18:19 PM PST
Linus Torvalds
Date of Birth: Dec 28, 1969
Place of Birth: Helsinki, Finland
Parents: Nils and Mikke (Anna) Torvalds -- divorced
Sibling(s): Sara Torvalds
Known Spoken Languages: Swedish, English
Education: University of Helsinki
Degree(s): MSc -- Computer Science
Notable Achievement(s): Linux

Additional Information


We already knew his cover story. (none / 0) (#47)
by elenchos on Thu Feb 21st, 2002 at 06:40:00 PM PST
I asked for evidence. What could you come up with? Why nothing but some web site. I could put up a web site saying my cock is only 9" long, but that doesn't make it true.

I know how it works with hackers: they scour the web for "evidence". If it says what they don't want to believe, or comes from a source they don't like, they ignore it. But let any Tom, Dick, or Harry put up a site that says "Lunix Roolz" and they will post link after link to it, and call that "evidence".

What a fantasy world to live in!


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


elenchos the sleuth (none / 0) (#48)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Feb 21st, 2002 at 08:42:51 PM PST
Yet this person did present evidence from an OUTSIDE source. You on the other hand haven't presented squat. I could sit here and make bogus accusations about Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or even YOU. Can I prove it? Maybe not. Would I at least try? Hell yeah. What do you got?


 
I noticed... (none / 0) (#49)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Feb 21st, 2002 at 08:46:27 PM PST
...that you didn't respond to the post before it entitled USSA. In it is information about the US government supporting OSS including projects by Richard Stallman. Head over to Internet2.org or Newsfactor for a story on Internet2.


Dear Anonymous Reader (5.00 / 1) (#50)
by jvance on Thu Feb 21st, 2002 at 10:13:32 PM PST
Please, ask yourself this question - why do you bother? Why is it so important to you that we unreservedly adopt your delusional worldview? Seriously.

I think it's time for some personal reflection. Perhaps meditation or a Spirit Guide is called for. If you can achieve some measure of inner peace, then maybe you can finally let go.


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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

Don't care (none / 0) (#51)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Feb 22nd, 2002 at 12:06:48 AM PST
Why should I care whether or not you support my views? Why should I care if you support OSS at all? That's NOT the issue at hand. Why is it that you are so dumb that you think THAT is the issue? The issue is the make believe bullshit the adequacy.org family actually expects any one to believe without ANY proof whatsoever beyond "because we say so". You sound like an old broken record or an elementary school jackass. Whichever works better for you.


 
Wait a sec... (none / 0) (#52)
by hauntedattics on Fri Feb 22nd, 2002 at 01:07:58 PM PST
I think it's highly suspicious that Mr. Torvalds was born, raised and educated in Helsinki, and yet speaks no Finnish. This may be an indication of the extent of FUD that exists around this mysterious personage.



Finland but no Finnish (none / 0) (#53)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Feb 22nd, 2002 at 04:05:05 PM PST
I think it's highly suspicious that Mr. Torvalds was born, raised and educated in Helsinki, and yet speaks no Finnish.

An explanation
The Torvalds family formed part of the Swedish-speaking community in Finland, about 300,000 strong in a total population of 5 million. That their mother tongue has nothing in common linguistically with the Finnish language that surrounds them has doubtless helped them become a very close-knit group. Reflecting this, Swedish speakers themselves call this society within society "Ankdammen"--the Duck Pond.
It very well could be that Linus speaks the Finnish language. It mother after all has worked as a translator for many years. However as the information above shows, Swedish is his native tongue.


 
Careful, Elenchos (none / 0) (#42)
by jvance on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 11:26:36 PM PST
You're coming dangerously close to disclosing classified information. I will have to discuss your post with our Security Officer. If you've crossed the line, I'm afraid they won't just "shut down" the site. It will never have existed.

As I'm sure you're aware, we live in dangerous times, and National Security is a top priority. I will get back to you shortly on this matter.
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indeed (none / 0) (#12)
by PotatoError on Tue Feb 19th, 2002 at 06:47:50 PM PST
no i was simply curious.
<<JUMP! POGO POGO POGO BOUNCE! POGO POGO POGO>>

 
Speaking of hacking (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by jvance on Tue Feb 19th, 2002 at 11:28:54 PM PST
I was reviewing this site's Terms of Service, in particular the part about using my browser's "view source" feature being a copyright violation.

I found that my trackball's right button offended me, so I smashed it out.


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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

 
Hmmm (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Feb 19th, 2002 at 02:32:59 PM PST
It doesn't appears as though the advert contains the necessary elements for the manufacturer to track the number of clicks. The website doesn't even have a "link to our product" page.

I'm wondering "what's the point"? How does advertising this benefit this "site"? Isn't the point to generate revenue?


Hmmmm? Hmmm. (none / 0) (#25)
by The Mad Scientist on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 06:25:31 AM PST
It doesn't appears as though the advert contains the necessary elements for the manufacturer to track the number of clicks.

The tracking is being done server-side. There is no worldwide tracking like Doubleclick does as there is only one known site linking to this server, plus no repeated visits are expected (so it doesn't give sense to use cookies), and it is possible to cross-correlate logs of Adequacy with the logs of the second server in order to reveal the people who clicked on it. Ask Zikzak for details - I can't tell you how I found it's him who is the most likely to be involved, but two of my posts where I mentioned reverse DNS lookups and WHOIS service were taken down already.

I'm wondering "what's the point"? How does advertising this benefit this "site"? Isn't the point to generate revenue?

Is revenue the point? I know that it could sound unfamiliar for American mindset, but things can be done for other motivations than money - ie, curiosity.


 
To whom it may concern: (none / 0) (#20)
by elenchos on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 01:27:31 AM PST
The only things you need to know about Adequacy.org are the things we put there for you to see. Any and all other information, no matter how easy or difficult it was for you to find it, is contraband hacker propaganda and misinformation. It will lead the young and foolish into all manner of mischief, and there is no place for it here.

Please do not waste your time and ours by posting this excreable and illegal stuff. Use Adequacy.org as it was intended, and it will treat you well. Abuse it, and you will get your reward.

Don't like it? Get your own damn site.


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


Awww (none / 0) (#24)
by PotatoError on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 06:04:45 AM PST
but was i right?
<<JUMP! POGO POGO POGO BOUNCE! POGO POGO POGO>>

 
elenchos (none / 0) (#26)
by tkatchev on Wed Feb 20th, 2002 at 06:34:57 AM PST
You dirty liberalist...

BTW, once the DNS system on my server is up, I intend to launch my own site. Stay tuned for details.


--
Peace and much love...




 

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