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Best white rapper of all time ?
Vanilla Ice 51%
Eminem 14%
House Of Pain 2%
Snow 6%
The Beastie Boys 11%
3rd Bass 1%
George 'Wham Rap' Michael 5%
Debbie Harry 7%

Votes: 78

 Marion 'Suge' Knight to be released - Young white rap fans in danger ?

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Jul 30, 2001
 Comments:
On August 9 2001, Marion 'Suge' Knight will be released from Sheridan Federal Correction Facility, Oregon after serving four and a half years of a nine year sentence.

No doubt some will say the President and CEO of Death Row records has paid his debt to society. Still others will say the 330lb entrepreneur should never have been locked up in the first place. But before we get excited about Suge's impending release, we should step back from the media frenzy and take some time to reflect

In our rush to report on this rap phenomenon we should not lose sight of the character of the man about to be let loose on an unsuspecting public.

We are not talking about some middle class gangsta wannabe here, This man has convictions for assault, and traffiking firearms. This man is ghetto through and through. Just in case you are left with any doubt about it, this is the man who hung America's premier white rapper - Vanilla Ice out of a 20th storey window by his feet. Allegedly

[Update, by dmg] It seems he is already out of prison! Look out, Vanilla, He's coming for you :-(

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Now I have no beef with Mr Knight. I have no doubts that he runs his business in an ethical fashion, that's the American way. Hanging someone out of a 20th storey window is no more morally reprehensible than employing child labor at scandalously low wages say, or polluting on a major scale. In this respect, Knight (if the allegations are to be believed) was simply following the example of some of America's greatest corporations.

My problem is that a whole generation of talented white rappers may now be too afraid to perform in public, and that the much-anticipated return of America's best ever white rapper may be jeopardized by the threats of violence that are likely to ensue.

Now, I am not proposing that Mr Knight be kept imprisoned for crimes he may or may not intend to commit in the future. That would be ridiculous and hypocritical, since Mr Ice himself is no stranger to the world of violence and mayhem coming as he does from the tough streets of Miami, Fl, and as this lyrical sample will testify he is quite capable of handling himself in any situation:

Girls were hot wearing less than bikinis
Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
Jealous 'cause I'm out geting mine
Shay with a gauge and Vanilla with a nine
Reading for the chumps on the wall
The chumps acting ill because they're so full of "Eight Ball"
Gunshots ringed out like a bell
I grabbed my nine -- All I heard were shells
Falling on the concrete real fast

[Editor's Note, by dmg] - for those adequacy readers who are unfamiliar with gangsta rap subculture a 'gauge' in this context refers to the twelve-gauge shotgun. 'nine' refers to the compact 9 millimeter caliber handgun (e.g Beretta) popular amongst 'gangsta' rappers like Ice. 'Eight Ball' is an alcoholic beverage - Old English 800 Malt Liquor, popular in the inner cities. Originally brewed by Pabst, now being brewed by Miller

What worries me is that Ice may be seeking revenge for his humiliation at the hands of Knight, and that it might all go off and one of his concerts will erupt in a hail of gunfire.

Both these men have a history of extremely violent behaviour and irresponsible attitudes toward firearms (an issue adequacy.org tackled in an earlier article). Given Knight's release, how long will it be before there is an all-out gun war at one of Ice's upcoming concerts, with our children getting caught up in the crossfire ?

I am a staunch supporter of freedom of speech, and so I am reluctant to impose censorship on anyone, but in this case, Ice must be banned from performing live until such time as he can demonstrate that he will not cause trouble. This is the only way to protect the children from the inevitable violence and carnage that would otherwise ensue.

What do others think ? Is white rap threatened by Knight's release ? Why is Vanilla Ice universally despised by the 'rap' community despite his hardcore rhyme skills and street background ? Is reverse racism the real issue here ? Are African Americans afraid that Vanilla will 'do an Elvis' on them, and steal their music just like the 'King' did all those years ago ?

Can't we all just get along ?


You know white people cannot rap. (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 08:40:02 AM PST
They should give up and try something else.

Vanilla Ice is a joke like milly vanily.


You are right (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 08:44:34 AM PST
Black people are much better rappers. This is because they are from tribal africa, and their bodies are attuned to the rhythms of the drum. Countless generations spent whooping in the jungles of Africa, dancing to the savage beat means that thy have evolved to be good at rap, which is really very similar.

The reasons are genetic.

Posted anonymously because this could be misconstrued as racist.


That is the most racist thing I've ever heard (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 08:52:40 AM PST
The reason white people are no good at rapping is because to them, hip hop is a fashion, and not a way of life. Your racist nonsense is not welcome here, please die.


Don't be foolish. (none / 0) (#16)
by TheReverand on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 09:01:40 AM PST
Hip hop is no more a way of life to blacks than Abba is a way of life to swedes. You've been brainwashed by the mass media into thinking you need some kind of "street-cred" to be a rapper.

Too bad for you all the really good rappers got frustrated and quit, thanks to all the gangsta bullshit. Of course, I am talking about Chuck D.


To be a 'successful' rapper in the USA (none / 0) (#17)
by dmg on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 09:15:05 AM PST
You need to be from the 'hood, you need to have some gang background, you need to have mysogenystic lyrics, and you need to appeal to that all-important 14-year-old white kid market.

Check out the hilarious movie CB4 for an insight into this pheneomenon.

As for Chuck D, well, he seems to be doing alright with with the Glaswegian Hard House group Public Domain. I don't think he quit. Anyway you cannot bring serious rap music into a discussion about Vanilla Ice and death row can you ?

time to give a Newtonian demonstration - of a bullet, its mass and its acceleration.
-- MC Hawking

Of course I can. (none / 0) (#22)
by TheReverand on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 09:37:39 AM PST
As far as I'm concerned, Vanilla Ice is a perfectly valid piece of rap history, or rapstory, as we call it. Suge Knight has been maligned, while people like eminem and nilla keep taking pot shots at him. Well, now they will have to pay the piper. And besides, with Puffy in Anger Management, Suge needs someone to roughhouse with.


Some say it is Snoop who has most to worry about. (none / 0) (#25)
by dmg on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 10:04:42 AM PST


time to give a Newtonian demonstration - of a bullet, its mass and its acceleration.
-- MC Hawking

 
Who is Puffy? (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by Bugbear on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 10:21:08 AM PST
And besides, with Puffy in Anger Management, Suge needs someone to roughhouse with.

Who is Puffy? He has now changed his name to the more respectable "P. Diddy".


 
Oh man (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by manifold on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 04:42:45 PM PST
Check out the hilarious movie CB4 for an insight into this pheneomenon.

Damn it's been years since I've seen that film... I saw it back when I was well into my hip-hop and it was fucking funny. Especially the song "Sweat of my balls" with the testacle-shaped balloons. LOL. I may have to go and find that again :)




NWH say grab yo shit! (none / 0) (#37)
by Rand Race on Tue Jul 31st, 2001 at 07:51:24 AM PST
You guys want to see a fucking hillarious sendup of rap check out Fear of a Black Hat. My personal opinion is that it is a much more solidly funny movie than CB4... which means it's pretty damned funny.

You think that's hard? My man T was shot with a BAZOOKA! Nigga used to be 6'4"... now look at him!


haha (5.00 / 1) (#38)
by TheReverand on Tue Jul 31st, 2001 at 08:29:43 AM PST
I wanna make you mine slap yo fat behind,
rub you down and make you whine,
I want you to scratch my itch, and be my bitch.....Cause I love you girl

Now see, I think that just shows his whole "sensitivity"



Classic (none / 0) (#41)
by Rand Race on Tue Jul 31st, 2001 at 02:16:41 PM PST
The black man was the first sensitive man... way before Alan Alda.


 
I'm going to try and hunt that one down. (5.00 / 1) (#39)
by dmg on Tue Jul 31st, 2001 at 08:36:06 AM PST
One of my favorite parts in CB4 is 'the bagheads'.

time to give a Newtonian demonstration - of a bullet, its mass and its acceleration.
-- MC Hawking

Fear of a black hat (5.00 / 1) (#40)
by TheReverand on Tue Jul 31st, 2001 at 08:40:53 AM PST
Is equivalent to Spinal Tap for style and humour. It was really well done, especially if you listened to a lot of late 80's/early 90's rap like LL, Run DMC and PE.


That was when I got into rap in a big way. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by dmg on Tue Jul 31st, 2001 at 02:17:31 PM PST
I started out on Sugarhill Gang and Grandmaster Flash and the whole 'electro' stuff: pumpkin, knights of the turntables, egyptian lover, aleem etc, but I was really really into PE and Run DMC. I saw them live in london with Eric B and Rakim, LL cool J and Run DMC. I even had some of those shell-toe adidas trainers (you call then sneakers).

I have a whole load of vinyl hip-hop albums, by the likes of steady b, just-ice, bdp, mantronix, skinny boys, schooly d, mister magic, etc etc etc. The most amusing ones from the old days are the 'World Class - World Class Wreckin Cru' the cover of which features a young Dr Dre in full spandex and sequinned effect, and the incredibly angry sounding CIA (Cru in Action) with Ice Cube sounding about as pissed off as it is possible to be.

I partiucularly enjoyed 'Surgery' for the lyrics such as '7 days a week, he's on call to get the party people up off the wall' and 'He has a PHD in mixology' Time to dig them out for old time's sake. I used to spend almost all my cash on USain imports all those years ago. Mind you, there are some appaling examples of british hip-hop in there somewhere as well. Remember Overlord X and Junior G and the A team ?



time to give a Newtonian demonstration - of a bullet, its mass and its acceleration.
-- MC Hawking

Overlord X! (5.00 / 1) (#43)
by jsm on Wed Aug 1st, 2001 at 12:04:51 AM PST
Fantastic. The only man ever to not only rap about the iniquities of the death penalty in a country which had abolished it one hundred years ago, but to admit in the title of his song that he only knew about it through having seen a Forty Minutes documentary on BBC 2 (or "Def II" as it was known in those days).

The lamest person ever. No I am not forgetting Michael Sims. No I am not forgetting Derek B.

... the worst tempered and least consistent of the adequacy.org editors
... now also Legal department and general counsel, adequacy.org

Derek B Woo hoo (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by dmg on Wed Aug 1st, 2001 at 02:41:30 AM PST
I am the proud owner of a Derek B cd single.... He wasn't all bad in a kind of crappy derivative way.

What about silver bullet ? 20 seconds to comply ?

time to give a Newtonian demonstration - of a bullet, its mass and its acceleration.
-- MC Hawking

missing poll option (5.00 / 1) (#45)
by jsm on Wed Aug 1st, 2001 at 03:21:56 AM PST
I can't believe it's taken me this long to point out that the greatest white rapper in history was John Aldridge in his legendary partnership with Steve McMahon as the mainstay of the Anfield Rap. I also liked the remix.

... the worst tempered and least consistent of the adequacy.org editors
... now also Legal department and general counsel, adequacy.org

 
But abba is a way of life for swedes. (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 09:43:18 AM PST
Speaking as a Swedish man, I am tell you that in my home country, Abba were for some time more popular than any other group. People of all the ages enjoyed to listen to their funky beats. Dancing Queen, Does your mother know, Gimme Gimme Gimme (A man after midnight) etc. Swedish kids are learning these tunes from early age.


You and I both know that's not true. (none / 0) (#24)
by TheReverand on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 09:45:13 AM PST
the only way of life for swedes is "Swedish Erotica". Finding a link is an exercise left to the reader.


 
Who cares? (1.00 / 2) (#18)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 09:17:29 AM PST
Rap = Crap! They can all die, for all I care. It would make the world a quieter and happier place.


What well thought out criticism (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 09:27:42 AM PST
You must be in posession of a staggering intellect to come out with something as profound as rap = crap.

Your amusing use of rhyme suggests to me that you might find success in the rap game if you used your skills to produce a demo track.




According to his own statement (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 01:02:51 PM PST
If he did a demo track, it would be crap.


 
Who Cares? Addendum (none / 0) (#36)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jul 31st, 2001 at 06:35:03 AM PST
I was trying to state the facts in a way that a rap fan could understand. It seems to have gone over your head. Two words and a symbol. Doesn't get much easier. What part of it don't you get? Do you actually think that rap is music? If cRap stars are so creative, how come they can only come up with one song between them? One background track with different lyrics. One rythym, too many songs. What a load of shit. I do need advice for my demo track, though...pick a note, recite a suck-ass illiterate iambic pentameter poem in monotone, see-saw some vinyl, pound chest like a monkey, wear an Aunt Jemima scarf, be stereo-typical...have I missed anything? Oh, yeah...Wonder why there's still racism.


 
And your point is? (none / 0) (#27)
by specom on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 11:46:46 AM PST
through. Just in case you are left with any doubt about it, this is the man who hung America's premier white rapper - Vanilla Ice out of a 20th storey window by his feet. Allegedly

This alone should get the man a pass. If he had dropped him, he'd be due a Presidential Pardon.


Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

Read the article again (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 11:53:56 AM PST
What dmg is worried about it that Ice may try and get revenge on Knight, and that children might get caught in the crossfire.

Both these men are known to be violent. Our children need to be protected from this.


Grow up (5.00 / 2) (#29)
by specom on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 12:01:58 PM PST
It is doubtful VI would get off a single shot, but so what? Children are a renewable resource.


Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

 
8-ball. (none / 0) (#30)
by Electric Angst on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 12:26:38 PM PST
Just a quick note. An eight-ball is not a reference to malt liquor. It's generally an 1/8 of an ounce of a powdered drug, typically blow. (Although white trash crackers will also use the term for crank).

Either way, Death Row's a joke now, as you could tell from the last few albums they released. Even holy Viacom has forsaken them, so they're basically SOL. (That doesn't mean some odd shit won't do down, since if you look at the recent revisionist history Viacom's been doing, they're been keying up the drama just so that if something does happen, they can pull some huge ratings off of it.)


--
In the dark times, will there still be singing?
Yes, there will be singing. There will be singing about the dark times. -- Bertolt Brecht

Not always true. (none / 0) (#31)
by TheReverand on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 12:35:51 PM PST
8-ball can be a reference to OE. 8ball as coke is more of a white thing.


"A white thing" (none / 0) (#33)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 02:26:44 PM PST
This *is* a Vanilla Ice story, Rev.

Not everyone is black, you know.


VI is talking about Old English 800 (none / 0) (#34)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jul 30th, 2001 at 03:09:55 PM PST
People who have taken lots of cocaine do not 'act ill' on the other hand, people who are drunk often do 'act ill'.

But you are correct, Ice's lyrics are intentionally ambiguous.


 
ghetto definition (none / 0) (#46)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Aug 2nd, 2001 at 11:36:41 AM PST
a ghetto is merely a place of single ethnicity.

Hillsdale, Michigan: ghetto, all white

the ghettos of WWII germany, all jewish.

restricting the word to meaning a black neighborhood is American. And by American I mean dumb...


Ghettoes (none / 0) (#47)
by specom on Thu Aug 2nd, 2001 at 03:49:12 PM PST
WRONG! A Ghetto is where subject peoples are corralled by the dominant culture. The people in Ghettoes are not in political or economic control of those areas. The people of Hillsdale have economic and political control of Hillsdale. Detroit on the other hand is a place where poor Black people have been corralled. As a result of their poverty, they are at the economic mercy of arab merchants and the depredations of white landlords and insurance companies. Ditto for Highland Park and Inkster. While we would APPEAR to have political control, in fact noone who doesn't toe the line set by the local Democratic power brokers <cough>McNamara, Duggan<cough> has a chance in hell of winning office or making any kind of change if they squeek thru. The current Mayor is being shown the door because he didn't make downtown safe for white folks and whip the savages into line fast enough.


Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

 

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