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 is it just me or is kuro5hin full of nazis

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May 28, 2002
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It was a closely fought battle for a while but it appears k5's white male geek mediocre-acy has finally conceded defeat to the myopic and intellectually shallow thugs who like to affect reason in their (apparently) contagious and increasingly strident polemics.

What a bunch of fags.†

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In other news, I still havent reinstalled inferior Lunix despite wishing open sauce programmers would start making serious native ports of their few useful‡ softwares to NT. I shouldnt clobber the cloaked kurobots in the audience with the obvious, but the only ace in Helsinkus Torblubber's hole is the open sauce programmer's inability not to program worse for the better.

 

† Not to be confused with real homosexuals, whose company frankly rules and whose penises are obviously much bigger than those attended by kurobots.

‡ "Useful" as in popular. "Popular" as in free. "Free" as in documented on the Internet. "Documented" as in a written testament for why software isnt getting any better or easier. "Not better or easier" as in UNIX. "UNIX" as in do everything half-assedly by cobbling together a series of fragile little tools to solve UNIX's problems instead of your own.


Nice work! (4.50 / 2) (#1)
by cheetah on Tue May 28th, 2002 at 11:06:43 PM PST
K5, homosexuals, lunix, open sores, all in one short diary! Very nice; possibly even controversial. I'd love to subscribe to your newsletter sir, but I don't want to.

I'll admit though, I was hoping you could have added just a FEW more minority and/or ethnic groups into the mix. Would that have been too much to ask??


i'm sorry, i dont subscribe to identity politics (1.00 / 1) (#2)
by venalcolony on Tue May 28th, 2002 at 11:53:05 PM PST
Which is why my pointed question about the triumph of kuronazism didnt impeach homosexuals. As for Lunix/Open Sauce, you will find that critical objections to a technology rarely alienates or summons hurtful feelings in that technology. For you see, Lunix/Open Sauce is at its best a method for "devloping" software that's good enough, enemy of the best, at its worst an "operating system", and neither are people. I shall give your feeble bickering reply the benefit of the doubt and assume your browser is mismatching "post" buttons with someone else's diary. Mozilla? It's open sauce, you know.


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The difference between trolling and life is life doesnt have to make sense.

Don't get all technical on me now (2.00 / 1) (#3)
by cheetah on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 04:18:10 AM PST
You and I both know it's open sores NOT open sauce. I get the funny feeling that you're trolling me. Doesn't this site ban trolling any more? Have the trolls won??

And it's Lenix, NOT Lunix. I let that one go the first time (no need to thank me). You're probably one of those clueless lusers who use winblows and think aol is the internet, right? Please get help. RTFM. ROFL. Anything. I don't care. Just find a four letter acronym to escape the misery that is your life.

Also, could you please translate this sentence into english for me:

For you see, Lunix/Open Sauce is at its best a method for "devloping" software that's good enough, enemy of the best, at its worst an "operating system", and neither are people.

The more I read it the less sense it makes. It's making my head hurt. Do you just get the urge to say "neither are people" on the end of random sentences?


 
What amuses me (4.00 / 1) (#4)
by because it isnt on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 04:27:45 AM PST
is your ability to use a colloquial, derogatory phrase used exclusively to insult straight people by insinuating they are homosexual (and that this is somehow 'bad'), and then in the same breath say that you are fully supportive of gays.

If you want to insult kur0ns, why not insult them for who they actually are, instead of labelling them with a tired, bigoted label?
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What amuses me ... (3.00 / 2) (#7)
by cheetah on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 07:09:13 AM PST
are bright shiny things and trees.


fags, not fags (3.00 / 2) (#9)
by venalcolony on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 09:40:24 AM PST
If you want to insult kur0ns, why not insult them for who they actually are

Why not insult by them by turning the tables on their thinly veiled nazism? Are you familiar with the tale of the racist rebelling against his black heart transplant?

You protest too much. What's the matter, big guy? Was it the Lunix insults?


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The difference between trolling and life is life doesnt have to make sense.

oops, browser bug. (1.00 / 1) (#11)
by venalcolony on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 10:03:42 AM PST
I might have been using mozilla which looks like it might have gotten the post buttons drunk.


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Debbie McGee's prenuptual. (3.00 / 2) (#13)
by because it isnt on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 10:48:00 AM PST
Why not insult by them by turning the tables on their thinly veiled nazism?

What's wrong with just calling them Nazis? Insults are so much better when they actually stick to people.

Are you familiar with the tale of the racist rebelling against his black heart transplant?

Was it that one with Bob Hoskins? I loved that film!

You protest too much. What's the matter, big guy? Was it the Lunix insults?

I'm only trying to help you become a better person. If you say (or write) "'tard", or "fag", or "dude!", etc., it makes me think of you as an American high-school student, or some other variation of the "dumb yank" stereotype that I (and most other decent people) have a low opinion of.
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thanks, but i think intentions count (3.00 / 2) (#15)
by venalcolony on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 11:34:54 AM PST
I'm only trying to help you become a better person.

If I demonstrate conspiratorial affection for my many homosexual friends by calling them fags in mixed, homophobic company, then I shouldnt think your imputation of insidious intent will make a better person out of me, or improve the lot of homosexuals in that mixed, homophobic company. Quite the contrary. Since words are only as good as their intentions, you should strive to understand intent ("fags, not fags", "not to be confused with real homosexuals, whose company frankly rules") rather than malign political correctness by perpetuating, through misuse, its undeserved bad reputation.


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I appreciate your efforts, (3.50 / 2) (#19)
by because it isnt on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 12:50:39 PM PST
but they are undermined by people who do not distinguish between good gays and bad gays. To put it another way, imagine you said "kur0ts are all niggers. No offence to my black friends who, quite frankly, rule." Perhaps Gary Younge says it better than I do.
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nevertheless, (4.66 / 3) (#20)
by venalcolony on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 01:52:43 PM PST
there's a difference between nigger, which is an artifact of systemic racism, and poking fun at identity politics using the weapons of identity politicians: sentinel words. That is, words that seek to minimize the discomfort of hypocrisy by signalling an end to conversation. And in this very way social doctrines limit the investigation of ugly realities. †

The difference is that "niggers" really exist; Blacks are America's niggers, Palestinians are Israel's niggers, etc. Good gays, bad gays, otoh, dont exist (hardly, phenomenologically, socially and historically speaking) beyond their qualification as good or bad people. Unless -- and this is the point, I think -- you're secretly, if only to your embarrassed self, homophobic, in which case calling you a fag is merely a mischievous way to incite honest introspection.

Hence kuronazis are fags because they arent as good as the fags they pretend are as good kurobots for all the wrong, empty reasons. No, they're stuttering nazis who hate fags, women, peace and the challenge of progress.

It's all about confrontation. Confrontation is neither good nor bad but derives its usefulness from an evaluation of the outcome it seeks to provoke. I wish to provoke kuro5hin's collective self-examination. Is that so wrong?

  † It happens because the society in "social doctrines" is inherently reactionary by virtue of its very existence; society wouldnt be possible if it didnt preserve itself, which is why Americans differ fundamentally, at an inextricable ideological level, from Russians, for example.


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I admire your intentions, (3.00 / 2) (#25)
by because it isnt on Thu May 30th, 2002 at 04:02:43 AM PST
indeed I am very pleased at your efforts to confront the intellectually lazy kuri0es, who are in dire need of someone to break the chain of their insular circle-jerk.

In fact, the only point of contention I can see is that you clearly do not view the word "fag" (short for "faggot", as in "throw another faggot on the fire", or "burn every last one of those goddamn queers") as one of these sentinel words. Personally, I think the word has long been associated with mindless gay-bashing, but you are free to differ.

I notice that you don't describe women as "bitches", a word to which many of the same arguments could apply. Perhaps you're only fighting one battle at a time, and when the "kur0fags" are beaten, you will move on to "kur0bitches". At least you are being controversial, and I admire you for that.
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translation (3.00 / 2) (#8)
by venalcolony on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 09:30:14 AM PST
The more I read it the less sense it makes.

That's because you're still hoping I could have added a few more minority or ethnic groups into the mix, I imagine.


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Well, yes (3.50 / 2) (#21)
by cheetah on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 10:49:36 PM PST
You're right.

The thing is -- and this is getting important now -- if you and I don't get stuck into some minority groups then who will?? Tell me that. It's a tough job, sure, but someone's got to do it.

I think you really have to look at it this way:

If you spill the beans you open up a can of worms. How can you let sleeping dogs lie if you let the cat out of the bag. Bring in a new broom and if you're not careful you'll find you've throw the baby out with the bath water. If you change horses in the middle of the stream next thing you know you're up the creek without a paddle.

I think there's something in that for all of us...


You missed one. (3.00 / 2) (#22)
by venalcolony on Thu May 30th, 2002 at 12:06:02 AM PST
I think there's something in that for all of us...

Where is A=A?

Sometimes the logic and the rhetoric deserts me, but only when I'm lucky. I dont know why you're having trouble with the sentence. My reference to Lunix as "good enough, enemy of the best" can be understood by following the link. Your reference to ethnic and minority groups is insinuation supported by wishful reading: kurobots aren't an ethnicity, they are merely nazis; homosexuals are clearly some of my favorite people right there in black and grey; and Lunix would be the nigger of operating systems if technology was people.

A=A

Finally, calling Lunix Lenix dishonors Communism by associating it with Open Sauce, an ideology with a fetish for commodities. I also take exception to Open Sores which is disrespectful of the sick and the infirm.


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A=A is only true ... (3.00 / 2) (#23)
by cheetah on Thu May 30th, 2002 at 02:42:47 AM PST
for sufficiently large -- but not too large --values of A. As A approaches 0, dividing both sides of the equation gives us infinity (A/0 = infinity). As A approaches infinity, dividing both sides of the equation gives us zero (A/very-large-number = 0).

Therefore ... God exists. QED.

Now, as to your other assertians. Yes I am still having trouble with your sentence, my head still hurts, and no you can't weasle your way out of it. If english was your ninth language I would understand.

My reference to ethnic and minority groups was entirely justified, nay, imperative and insightful. Your invokation of Godwin's law for the Kurobotswanians, however was lame. Trolling.

Calling Lunix Lenix is an honour. The highest compliments the obscure OS has received. It has even spawned a web hosting business. You are in denial and jealous of my superior terminology as your use of Lenixists in this post suggests.

Open sores IS controversial, true, but let us not let controversy cloud our thinking now. Open sauce is just as disrespectful to those fine and upstanding individuals who bring us the condoments we so much enjoy. It's a choice of two evils really. I know which way I'm going (my favourite food is sauce.)


you've made me hungry (3.00 / 2) (#24)
by venalcolony on Thu May 30th, 2002 at 03:36:47 AM PST
Yes I am still having trouble with your sentence, my head still hurts, and no you can't weasle your way out of it.

No, but speaking hypothetically, if I successfully applied my detective faculties to the greater mystery of your identity, wouldnt that deflect the damage you inflicted upon my scribbler's ego? After all, how good is an author if he cannot prevent his characters from imitating his inner voice?

Hunger is the best sauce.


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The difference between trolling and life is life doesnt have to make sense.

If you're really hungry for sauce (3.50 / 2) (#26)
by cheetah on Thu May 30th, 2002 at 04:20:46 AM PST
I can highly recommend the following combination:

  • Honey mustard
  • Barbeque sauce
  • Chile sauce


There is nothing savoury -- no matter how bad it tastes -- that cannnot be improved and made worthy with the combination of the above 3 delights. HTH.

how good is an author if he cannot prevent his characters from imitating his inner voice?

Ah! You will never discover my identify. Never! I hide in caves of night and ride with the wide buffalo by day. I can morph into any of the feline species at will. I have multiple personalities. I have superhuman powers that Al Gore cannot match.

My kung fu skills are far too strong. Give up while you're still behind.


Ooh! Saucy! (3.50 / 2) (#27)
by because it isnt on Thu May 30th, 2002 at 04:57:56 AM PST
Chile sauce

Is that sauce made from chilli peppers, or is it a sauce invented in General Pinochet's homeland?

Personally, I recommend Worcester sauce. It really is a sauce invented in Worcester.

My kung fu skills are far too strong

My new fighting technique is unstoppable.
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Yes, chilli not Chile :) (3.50 / 2) (#29)
by cheetah on Thu May 30th, 2002 at 06:25:13 AM PST
I'm always getting sauces mixed up with South American countries.

As for Worcester sauce, well it ain't too bad I guess, but I'm very protective of my dream team combination of 3. It is very hard to break into that circle. They're very cliquey, you know.

My new fighting technique is unstoppable.

Wow! I give up. I have come up against superior powers. Who can possibly fight against talking body parts? You win, Daniel son.


 
kurons (none / 0) (#34)
by johnny ambiguous on Mon Jun 3rd, 2002 at 06:14:18 PM PST
"Kur0ns" is a very beautiful word. If you invented it, thank you!

Yours WDK - WKiernan@concentric.net


Getting into my Chevrolet Magic Fire, I drove slowly back to the office. - L. Rosen

 
"Native ports" (3.00 / 1) (#5)
by because it isnt on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 04:40:07 AM PST
Programs written on Luarrghnix are native to UNIX™. Windows NT™ is not UNIX™. UNIX™ is not native to NT. The Great Microsoft™ can't or won't write a proper POSIX™ emulation layer for NT, so there's a "good enough" implementation of one written by volunteers.

Talking of "good enough" things, ScummVM is "good enough" to play Monkey Island™ 1 and 2, Sam and Max™, and Day of the Tentacle™ to completion. Unlike the SCUMM™ interpreter actually bundled by Lucasarts™ themselves with these games (which are on the shelves of local games empouriums NOW), ScummVM actually works on Windows NT™, Windows 2000™ and Windows XP™, and does not crash after 5 seconds or require some MS-DOS™ Soundblaster™ emulation driver. Lucasarts' idea of technical support for these newly re-released games is that I should buy and install Windows 95™, an operating system which Microsoft™ will no longer sell me, and as I understand it, I cannot legally buy second-hand.
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are those games? (3.00 / 1) (#12)
by venalcolony on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 10:27:08 AM PST
I only play with pussy, sorry, tending to use computers as a necessary evil or to satisfy someone else's idle make-work projects in exchange for a salary.


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might be. (1.00 / 1) (#14)
by because it isnt on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 10:57:22 AM PST
I only play with pussy, sorry

No need to be sorry, there's nothing wrong with masturbation.

But anyway, games. Games can be fun. Games are usually more fun than posting to web-boards (is that an necessary evil or is it salaried?). If you just don't like games, that's fine by me!
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s'true, s'true (1.00 / 1) (#16)
by venalcolony on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 11:44:11 AM PST
Games are usually more fun than posting to web-boards

This is why games with a strong AI will never be popular amongst the insulted geeks who will call them trolls. Assuming such a thing were possible, of course (trolls, not strong AI.)


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The difference between trolling and life is life doesnt have to make sense.

Repeat after me: (1.00 / 1) (#28)
by because it isnt on Thu May 30th, 2002 at 05:51:52 AM PST
Strong AI is bad.
Strong AI is bad.
Strong AI is bad.
Strong AI is bad.
Strong AI is bad.

I can also tell you that you don't actually need strong AI to "troll", you only need a device that is more intelligent than your adversary.
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If you want a port of something... (1.00 / 2) (#6)
by budlite on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 05:59:28 AM PST
...port it yourself.


linux threshold reached (1.00 / 1) (#10)
by venalcolony on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 09:53:44 AM PST
Not that I miss or was referring to shells, but why would I run a kludgy, buggy emulation of a worse is better OS on top of NT? That would compound the original problem by a factor of two and my entire criticism is that Open Sauce programmers program everything as if it were UNIX, even when it isnt.

You Lenixists just cant escape your UNIX irons, can you, not absence of terminal question mark.


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oh ghod (3.00 / 1) (#17)
by budlite on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 12:22:03 PM PST
Neither Cygwin or MinGW are even close to operating systems.

Cygwin is simply a DLL containing functions and structures to allow POSIX-compliant programs to compile and run under Windows. It's just that the development team have compiled lots of software and bundled it along with the DLL, C headers and library import files.

MinGW is similar, except there's no reliance on a custom DLL - they're linked against msvcrt.dll, an integral part of Windows.


gee, thanks (1.00 / 1) (#18)
by venalcolony on Wed May 29th, 2002 at 12:39:21 PM PST
It's true, then, that no crops grow in fallow fields? I guess so.


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The difference between trolling and life is life doesnt have to make sense.

 
What have you got against Nazis? (2.00 / 1) (#30)
by PotatoError on Sat Jun 1st, 2002 at 11:12:54 AM PST
What is your problem? Nazi's are normal people with feelings just like you and me. Just because the liberal media portrays them in a negative light doesn't mean you are free to discriminate against them. Just who do you think you are? Nazi's have a tough time in our society. Can you imagine the shit they must get in public?

Just step back from the "media standard" for one second and really think. It's people like you who make Nazis afraid to come out. One day, when Nazi discrimination is finally bought to an end, people will look back at your pig-headed arrogance with utter disgust.

Just think about it yeah?
<<JUMP! POGO POGO POGO BOUNCE! POGO POGO POGO>>

What's more... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by tkatchev on Sat Jun 1st, 2002 at 11:59:25 AM PST
...as we all know, painful buttsex is the foundation of true Aryan Unity; you people probably haven't served in the army -- if you've had, you'd have known what I'm talking about.




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Peace and much love...




 
Ah! (1.00 / 1) (#32)
by budlite on Sat Jun 1st, 2002 at 05:28:15 PM PST
I see we have a System Of A Down fan in the crowd tonight.


 
at least you're honest about your affiliation (5.00 / 1) (#33)
by venalcolony on Sat Jun 1st, 2002 at 05:50:04 PM PST
Just because the liberal media portrays them in a negative light doesn't mean you are free to discriminate against them.

Actually, I'm free to discriminate against anyone for whatever rationalized purpose that cranks my handle. And vice versa. The first step in this long elaborate process is to share the Earth with someone else; the rest follows in the manner of arithmetic. We call this phenomenon "society." The question then becomes: what society do you want to live in?


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