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Slipknot
Wankers 60%
Fucking awesome dude! 40%

Votes: 20

 Rock and Roll !

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Mar 08, 2002
 Comments:
Apparently Corey Taylor is buying a $350,000 five-bedroom house in Des Moines, Iowa.
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Slipknot are a bunch of boring wankers, pretending to be controversial.


Burzum (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Mar 8th, 2002 at 06:31:19 AM PST
I'll call up the guys from Burzum, maybe they can burn the place down and save him from himself.


I thought... (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Mar 8th, 2002 at 08:37:14 AM PST
Burzum was just one guy, and that he was in prison in Norway....?


No (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by doofus on Fri Mar 8th, 2002 at 09:04:50 AM PST
You're thinking of the DeCSS guy.


 
Sort of (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Mar 8th, 2002 at 09:19:01 AM PST
I was actually thinking of the band that Varg Vikernes (who was the one man band Burzum) was with before. I think he is in jail for killing one of the band members.

He was also a suspect in some church burnings, which is why I thought he'd be able to help out Slipknot.


 
no way (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Mar 8th, 2002 at 02:15:52 PM PST
Why, dmg, are you so interested in a member of Slipknot? Could it be that you in fact not one the pompous self proclaimed intellectual jackasses you editors claim to be?

I mean it couldn't simply be because it's news as it's a diary entry and you didn't do any of the reasearch or writing yourself.


The lack of imagination pains me. (none / 0) (#6)
by dmg on Fri Mar 8th, 2002 at 05:49:57 PM PST
I simply cannot stomach the way Slipknot position themselves as this highly controversial band, when in reality they are just the kind of people who purchase $350000 homes in Des Moines.

I mean, these people are supposed to be hardcore. I would expect them to buy an abbatoir, or a mortuary or an insane asylum or a prison, or any building of that nature, and have it converted, not some picket-fenced suburban "executive" home surrounded by doctors accountants and lawyers. For example Lenny Kravitz has a hedonistic rock'n'roll pad and Aphex Twin lives in a bank, owns a submarine and drives a tank.

The sheer lack of imagination shown by this so called rock star is nothing short of pathetic.

By the way, I didn't like the tone of your comment, if you are insinuating that I like Slipknot, please be aware that I have only ever seen them once, on "MTV" and I turned the volume down after hearing about 15 seconds of their so-called "music".



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actually (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Mar 9th, 2002 at 02:05:22 AM PST
I simply cannot stomach the way Slipknot position themselves as this highly controversial band, when in reality they are just the kind of people who purchase $350000 homes in Des Moines.
Slipknot has positioned themselves nor made any claims of who or what they are. However, if you have read any interviews or bios you would know that many are married and have kids. They lead a relatively normal life. Their music is more of an expression of all the "crap" they dealt with growing up and even now (ie stereotypes). Besides, why not stay in Iowa? It's better than every other musician that has to move to New York or Los Angeles.
The sheer lack of imagination shown by this so called rock star is nothing short of pathetic.
That's you ropinion and you are entitled to it. I could say the same about any type of music. Take country for example. There's a tear in my beer and I sing like a queer"
By the way, I didn't like the tone of your comment, if you are insinuating that I like Slipknot, please be aware that I have only ever seen them once, on "MTV" and I turned the volume down after hearing about 15 seconds of their so-called "music".
I wouldn't know, as I don't watch MTV. I don't listen to any radio stations save one (KQRC, 98.9 "The Rock"). I like Johnny Dare and Murphy in the Morning, it's some pretty funny shit.


True (none / 0) (#9)
by budlite on Sat Mar 9th, 2002 at 01:14:43 PM PST
They even look normal without the masks. They've just got too many tattoos, that's all.


 
YHBT, d00d. (none / 0) (#8)
by tkatchev on Sat Mar 9th, 2002 at 04:26:25 AM PST
Props to Slipknot for teaching pretentious wanna-be wankers a lesson about art and life.

Don't worry, though, you'll understand when you grow up and learn to appreciate true art[1].

[1] That doesn't mean that I consider Slipknot to be "true art"; in fact, I don't listen to trash-pop music at all. I've never heard Slipknot, but I can appreciate the message they carry with their decision to buy a house in Iowa.


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Peace and much love...




True art (none / 0) (#13)
by because it isnt on Mon Mar 11th, 2002 at 07:40:45 AM PST
Props to Slipknot for teaching pretentious wanna-be wankers a lesson about art and life.

I've never heard Slipknot myself, but in the streets I see lots of children between about 7 and 15 years old wearing black hooded jumpers with the slipknot logo. You can call them "pretentious wanna-be wankers" if you want, but I'd call them "kids".

Don't worry, though, you'll understand when you grow up and learn to appreciate true art[1].

Objectively, what is "true art"? Is it art which appeals in a purely aesthetic sense? Does the art have to have a deeper meaning? Is art which has meaning but no aesthetic element (like Tracy Emin's creations) that is "true art"?
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Ooooh.... slipknot rock junior high (none / 0) (#16)
by The dev0 on Mon Mar 11th, 2002 at 07:08:34 PM PST
Props to Slipknot for teaching pretentious wanna-be wankers a lesson about art and life.

what, like how to properly be pretentious wanna-be wankers? I mean, they are like the britney of metal. All they do is exploit the tried and true methods of other bands so they can buy a big house. In iowa for fucks sake.


Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...

learn to read dumbass (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by tkatchev on Mon Mar 11th, 2002 at 10:29:59 PM PST
Are you even literate? Like I said in my post, I don't listen to trash-pop music as a matter of principle; I have never heard "Slipknot" and I don't even know what they look like.

But in any case, the fact is that if they are doing something to get dmg really riled up, then they are doing something right.

P.S. All due respect to dmg; I'm just using him as a typical example of person outside art circles.


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Peace and much love...




re: learn to read.. (none / 0) (#21)
by The dev0 on Tue Mar 12th, 2002 at 01:51:09 PM PST
Are you even literate? Like I said in my post, I don't listen to trash-pop music as a matter of principle; I have never heard "Slipknot" and I don't even know what they look like.

So how could you possibly be qualified to comment on them?

But in any case, the fact is that if they are doing something to get dmg really riled up, then they are doing something right.

Okay... you got me there... :P


Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...

I'm not. (none / 0) (#22)
by tkatchev on Tue Mar 12th, 2002 at 02:22:40 PM PST
I'm commenting on the nature of art and the message Slipknot is sending their fans with their decision to buy a house in Iowa. At the very least, you have to admit it is stylish.

My comment was not meant to be taken as a discussion on Slipknot's professional performance; like you said, I'm not qualified to comment on this topic.


--
Peace and much love...




 
Even in Iowa... (none / 0) (#23)
by gzt on Tue Mar 12th, 2002 at 07:54:49 PM PST
$350,000 is not a big house. It's pretty good, all things considered, but it's not like frickin' huge. Just a nice size. I mean, if I went to the house, I'd say, "Nice house, man," but it wouldn't be mind-numbingly great, it's politeness and comparison.

I know, I'm FROM Iowa. Just a little ways from Des Moines.

BTW, the guy IS from Des Moines, so it makes sense.

This is not an endorsement of Slipknot's music. I prefer, say, the guitar stylings of Wes Montgomery.

Cheers!


 
It Takes $$ (none / 0) (#10)
by doofus on Sat Mar 9th, 2002 at 02:14:57 PM PST
I mean, these people are supposed to be hardcore. I would expect them to buy an abbatoir, or a mortuary or an insane asylum or a prison, or any building of that nature, and have it converted, not some picket-fenced suburban "executive" home surrounded by doctors accountants and lawyers. For example Lenny Kravitz has a hedonistic rock'n'roll pad and Aphex Twin lives in a bank, owns a submarine and drives a tank.

If these rock and roll goofballs have a standard record contract, they don't have much money anyway. $350 000 goes a lot farther in Des Moines than it does in LA or NY.

Lenny Kravitz' place in Miami is multi-million dollars worth of style. A submarine is not a little amount of cash, nor is a tank, ferrcrissakes.

I don't watch MTV as a matter of course, but every once in a while I'll catch "Cribs" a show about "rock (and rap) stars" homes.

Very revealing, not for the spots that feature really rich guys, but for the "flava" (as the kids say) of the month types. One little hit, the last one they'll ever have and all they have is 2000 sq ft two story tract home built in 1975. But, it's more than they had before, they probably paid cash for it and they dig it. So, I say , "that's cool!"

Anybody know how many units are sold of a typical "Slipknot" record? Take that number, take about 10% (or maybe $1 a unit) and give it to the band. Now tell them to pay their producer (who is already getting a cut of album sales to begin with), pay the recording studio bill, pay the record company back the advance you took to buy a new guitar, give your manager his 10 or 15% and split it 5 ways at least (plus road crew) and the amount that's left is yours!

As Joan Jett once sang, "I Love Rock and Roll!"


no. (none / 0) (#12)
by derek3000 on Mon Mar 11th, 2002 at 05:34:03 AM PST
Anybody know how many units are sold of a typical "Slipknot" record? Take that number, take about 10% (or maybe $1 a unit) and give it to the band. Now tell them to pay their producer (who is already getting a cut of album sales to begin with), pay the recording studio bill, pay the record company back the advance you took to buy a new guitar, give your manager his 10 or 15% and split it 5 ways at least (plus road crew) and the amount that's left is yours!

I'm pretty sure that this is not the way it works. All of the money received from album sales pays off the bills you mentioned before, then they start getting royalties on the sales. The bills aren't paid from their royalties.




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"Feel me when I bring it!" --Gay Jamie

No (none / 0) (#14)
by doofus on Mon Mar 11th, 2002 at 10:23:32 AM PST
<i>I'm pretty sure that this is not the way it works. All of the money received from album sales pays off the bills you mentioned before, then they start getting royalties on the sales. The bills aren't paid from their royalties.
</i>

Yo're comment doesn't really make sense as you've written it. Nevertheless, I will now explain to you how the music business works.

The record company gets 90% of the distribution price. That's theirs. They have rewarded themselves for "discovering" you and promoting your "art" to the general public and MTV, radio, etc.

The band gets what's left and has to pay their bills from that. The record company DOES NOT pay the studio. The record company DOES NOT pay the producer. The record company DOES NOT pay for the limo to the awards show, the new guitars, the drugs and alcohol. The band does. From their 10%.

What happens if the first album tanks? Well, the studio MAY allow you to make another record. THEN you're really screwed. You have to pay two sets of bills then; the bills from the first record and the bills for the second record.

Still wanna be a rock star? As soon as you sign the contract you're instantly poorer than you were immediately before.



nah. (none / 0) (#15)
by derek3000 on Mon Mar 11th, 2002 at 10:49:55 AM PST
The record company gets 90% of the distribution price. That's theirs. They have rewarded themselves for "discovering" you and promoting your "art" to the general public and MTV, radio, etc.

You say that as if it's a bad thing. Quick question: Who signed the contract again? You don't need to be "discovered" or have your "art" promoted if you don't want to.




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"Feel me when I bring it!" --Gay Jamie

 
What does the RC do then? (none / 0) (#17)
by The dev0 on Mon Mar 11th, 2002 at 07:12:52 PM PST
The record company DOES NOT pay the studio. The record company DOES NOT pay the producer. The record company DOES NOT pay for the limo to the awards show, the new guitars, the drugs and alcohol. The band does. From their 10%

If thats the case, I think you need to change labels. My old band was shithouse and after we got signed the label paid for almost everything on your list except the new guitars. Oh, and the drugs.


Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...

 
Oh, thank you. (4.50 / 2) (#19)
by RobotSlave on Tue Mar 12th, 2002 at 04:00:22 AM PST
Now that you're done telling us how you would like to believe the music business works, so that you can feel better about stealing music, let me add a few points.

Yes, some costs are in fact advances against royalties. Studio costs in excess of what the label feels is reasonable (this is worked out beforehand). Half the cost of video production, typically. And so on. But how, exactly, does this payment work?

Does the record company cut the band a check for royalty percentage, and then ask the band, "could you please give us some money for the recoupables, now?"

No.

The label deducts recoupables before it cuts a check to the band, of course. So if a member of Slipknot is dropping $350k on a house, he's not spending money that belongs to the record company. He's spending money that Universal has earned for him. And that's no small chunk of change, Skippy.

Slipknot are most defnitely profiting from their relationship with the Recording Industry, and profiting handsomely. I know that's going to make it harder for you to rationalize stealing their music, but it's the truth, and you're just going to have to cope with it.

And the record company does pay for the limo to the awards show. And the alcohol at the party afterwards. And the "guest list" tickets for the show. And the drugs, too, quite often, though they don't show up on the books, for some reason.

If you want to talk about recoupables, you'd better learn what the word means before you start regurgitating the lies and exaggerations you've read on i-love-piracy.com and freeloader.org.

This is the adequacy, not a copyright-violators' support group. You won't find the glorification of immoral and illegal behavior that you've grown accustomed to elsewhere. We value original ideas, here. It might take some getting used to.


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4 out of 5 (1.00 / 1) (#20)
by because it isnt on Tue Mar 12th, 2002 at 04:24:41 AM PST
Nice rant, 'slave. You know your stuff (I'd be worried if you didn't) and took the guy down with The Truth, but you didn't really need they "you're all thieves" rhetoric. It's just as bad as saying the recording industry are all crooks.
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Well then... (5.00 / 2) (#11)
by dreadfulgrape on Sun Mar 10th, 2002 at 06:24:06 PM PST
Slipknot are a bunch of boring wankers, pretending to be controversial.

...Slipknot obviously should be the official band of this web site.


 

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