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 Envisioning Canute

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Mar 23, 2002
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There are many historians that will tell you that King Canute did not believe that he could command the waves, linguists will tell you the correct pronounciation of Don Quixote is 'Khee-HO-tay' and pedants will blanche when envision is used to replace foresee, imagine, and believe.

[editor's note, by em] The correct pronunciation of "Quijote", transcribed in the International Phonetic Alphabet, is either [ki'xote] or [ki'hote], depending on dialectal variation; certainly not that "Khee-HO-tay" gringo crap that's right up there, which will only result in your pronouncing all the sounds except the "h" wrong. And there are over 300 million spanish speakers who, despite not being linguists, can tell you this. Perhaps one of them cleans your workspace at 2:00 AM.

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Yet none of the above are as shrill as those that would redefine the term hacker with cracker.

Hacker has been used for many many years by computer geeks to mean illegal activity. 'to hack' has wider application than 'to crack' - compare 'to crack into a system' with 'to hack into a system' the former is simply barbaric.

So whilst quixotic geeks may, like Canute, envision commanding the waves of the English language to leave their jargon unsullied, the rest of us know that their bastardization of language will never succeed.


Well written. (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by Yoshi on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 01:18:04 PM PST
I completely agree. These scum hackers who think that because they don't break into government FBI computers and download their hard drives make their renegade activities illegal.

Hackers go about downloading and illegally manifesting their DeCess sauce code so they can illegally copy DVDs. Hackers go around illegally "P.I.N.Ging" (a slang for 'groping,' I am told) and "404ing" websites like Adequacy.org trying to shut them down. Hackers extoll their hatred of American, Freedom supporting companies because the hackers want to spread their own illegal Open Sores Lunix software with their own little backdoors like "ssh".

Face it, you break the law, you're a hacker.

you really are stupid aren't you (none / 0) (#3)
by William Sargis on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 04:14:45 PM PST
Hackers go around illegally "P.I.N.Ging" (a slang for 'groping,' I am told) and "404ing" websites like Adequacy.org trying to shut them down.

Pinging is only bad if you initiate a ping storm. I guess if you think pinging is bad why don't you get off the internet? You do know that your computer pings another system pretty much all the time don't you? Perhaps you could do well to read about PING from its original author. Oh my gosh, this guy was part of DARPA! And ping is not slang for anything. It's simply an acronym and it's ping not P.I.N.G. Packet INternet Groper

By the way, what the hell is 404ing? You do know what 404 means don't you? It's simply means file not found. It's one of many HTTP messages initiated by the server not outside users.

HTTP error messages
100 - 399: not exactly error messages, used for site diagnostics
400 - 499: client errors such as file not found sometimes caused by outdated weblinks
500 - 599: internal server error, hardware/software (ie busy or too many users)






I cut my hands up in the dark and just sat there and bled, while the whole world fell apart inside of my head.

What a crock (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by Yoshi on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 04:51:12 PM PST
You do know that your computer pings another system pretty much all the time don't you?

Uhh, ahem, don't accuse me of using illegal hacker operating systems to prove your point. I use Windows XP, the latest in a robust, stable line of Windows platforms from Microsoft. I can assure you that my computer doesn't "ping another system pretty much all the time."

Perhaps you could do well to read about PING from its original author.

Excuse me, I am not going to be coerced into following your tracing link to the military. As a proud Internet Explorer user, I am able to detect your little trojan backdooring before you try to forward your IP theft to the military under my computer's datagram ID.

And ping is not slang for anything. It's simply an acronym and it's ping not P.I.N.G. Packet INternet Groper

That's what I said. I don't want any groper trying to break its way into my Windows XP Firewall. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about it, but there are many unprotected machines on the Internet who don't have the luxury I am offered by Microsoft.

You do know what 404 means don't you? It's simply means file not found.

Exactly. The hacker, such as yourself I imagine, illegally 404s the file from the web server and dumps the "core datafile" to the logs. Then, an unsuspecting visitor such as I or any one of the freedom supporting Americans on Adequacy.org (yourself not included), will get their iMAC address recorded by the trojanned apache.

HTTP error messages

Don't try to pin these errors across the board. As far as I see, or any other common-sense ridden viewer of Adequacy.org (yourself not included), these aren't "HTTP" errors, these are apache errors. That's right, the open sores software of the world does get "internal server errors" and "too many users" (frequently on Lunix, I might add). Perhaps you should "patch" your own sauce code before you go and try to blame the whole internet on your little "HTTP error messages." Get a clue.

uh yeah, ok (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 10:17:35 PM PST
Uhh, ahem, don't accuse me of using illegal hacker operating systems to prove your point. I use Windows XP, the latest in a robust, stable line of Windows platforms from Microsoft.

You know that would actually make sense if ping wasn't in Windows. Oh, and I know you're stupid and are going to look. It's not in the Start menu and there's no icon. Try running the command prompt from the start menu and ping yourself.

I can assure you that my computer doesn't "ping another system pretty much all the time."

It would have a hard time connecting to much if it didn't. Why not check out your "ping rate" at such sites as www.dslreports.com?

Excuse me, I am not going to be coerced into following your tracing link to the military. As a proud Internet Explorer user, I am able to detect your little trojan backdooring before you try to forward your IP theft to the military under my computer's datagram ID.

Must be some third party program or hack. Or maybe you just found out how to display the status bar.

That's what I said. I don't want any groper trying to break its way into my Windows XP Firewall.

Why don't you use a real software firewall like ZoneAlarm or the award winning BlackICE. It's far more feature rich than the shitwall in XP.

I don't have to worry about it, but there are many unprotected machines on the Internet who don't have the luxury I am offered by Microsoft.

Yes everyone wants to replace their firewalls with desktops running Windows and everything under the sun like Media Player just so they can have the XP firewall. CAn you say duh? I knew you could.

Exactly. The hacker, such as yourself I imagine, illegally 404s the file from the web server and dumps the "core datafile" to the logs.

I 404 the file? I file not found the file?

Then, an unsuspecting visitor such as I or any one of the freedom supporting Americans on Adequacy.org (yourself not included), will get their iMAC address recorded by the trojanned apache.

iMacs are computers made by Apple. Oh I know. You're still trying to figure out that Media Access Control (MAC not Mac) thing aren't you? Second, all webserver log IP addresses. They also log your broswer, time/date, etc. What would be the point in making the webserver do something it already does?

Don't try to pin these errors across the board. As far as I see, or any other common-sense ridden viewer of Adequacy.org (yourself not included), these aren't "HTTP" errors, these are apache errors.

All the HTTP error messages fall under the specifications of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C). They are not limited to Apache, Zeus, IIS, iPlanet, or Netscape Enterprise Edition (try not to confuse it with Netscape Navigator this time).

Now, maybe after your shift at McDonald's you can at least try to come off as intelligent.

Lies. (none / 0) (#12)
by Yoshi on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 11:00:52 PM PST
You know that would actually make sense if ping wasn't in Windows. Oh, and I know you're stupid and are going to look. It's not in the Start menu and there's no icon. Try running the command prompt from the start menu and ping yourself.

We've gone over this before. I'd be damned if I were going to fall for your little 'ping' trick. You know as well as I do that, barring the obvious fact that my computer is free from illegal software, P.I.N.Ging from my own command shell line would bypass any filter I have in the form of the Windows XP Firewall, and target my system directly. Gullible, I am not.

It would have a hard time connecting to much if it didn't. Why not check out your "ping rate" at such sites as www.dslreports.com?

Hey, great idea. While I'm at it, why don't I just drive down to the precinct now and turn myself in? Yes, yes, superb idea. I'm sorry, Mr. Anonymous, but I, unlike many, will not fall for your obvious, subtle traps.

Must be some third party program or hack. Or maybe you just found out how to display the status bar.

And damn glad I did. I know a .mil site when I see one, and don't ever think you can trick me into hacking into the military's secret internet subnet protocol throughput.

Why don't you use a real software firewall like ZoneAlarm or the award winning BlackICE. It's far more feature rich than the shitwall in XP.

My Windows XP firewall keeps logs of all the attacks made against it, and it's damn good. It certainly stopped you from hacking into my system registry on more than one occasion. You can attack Microsoft's award winning software all you want, but being bitter just because it prevents you from having fun with people just as innocent as myself is no way to feel.

Yes everyone wants to replace their firewalls with desktops running Windows and everything under the sun like Media Player just so they can have the XP firewall. CAn you say duh? I knew you could.

Uh, who wouldn't? I'll tell you what, if I was a poor soul running one of the other renegade (but still quasi-legal, unlike Lunix) operating systems like *BSD, I'd rather be on the Microsoft court enjoying full motion video powered by hardware acceleration in Microsoft's prestigious Media Player. The firewall, don't even get me started. A click in your network properties and it's configured. Try doing that with your "pico" bullshit.

I 404 the file? I file not found the file?

Why do you think the file is file not found in the first place? Because you 404ed it, dumbass.

Second, all webserver log IP addresses. They also log your broswer, time/date, etc.

Maybe your Open Sores one does. That's the downside to the whole Open Sores movement. Misfits and hackers like you can take the illegal sauce code to a program like Apache and modify it to store personal information without the user knowing. I really hope you rot in the fiery pits of hell for what you do to your "visitors." Poor souls.

All the HTTP error messages fall under the specifications of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C).

Yeah, right. That's why I always see "500 Internal Server Error - Apache/1.3.23 Server at website Port 80." I never see "Microsoft IIS at website Port 80." No sir. So much for your "specifications" - maybe you Open Sores advocates can go back and fix your own buggy sauce code. You've got a long, long way to go to catch up to IIS.

Seriously, arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall. Clearly reason and intelligence is beyond you, but anyone following this discussion has already picked up on that from yourself.

oh man, did you lose your brain? (none / 0) (#15)
by William Sargis on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 04:46:11 AM PST
P.I.N.Ging from my own command shell line would bypass any filter I have in the form of the Windows XP Firewall, and target my system directly.

Fine then, ping the local loopbacl (127.0.0.1). It never goes beyond your system and never even gets to the firewall. But you're a paranoid hopeless loser.

Hey, great idea. While I'm at it, why don't I just drive down to the precinct now and turn myself in? Yes, yes, superb idea. I'm sorry, Mr. Anonymous, but I, unlike many, will not fall for your obvious, subtle traps.

Apparently the site needs to have a giant message reading "PING ME MOTHERFUCKER!" I mean do you not get the whole point of site?

And damn glad I did. I know a .mil site when I see one, and don't ever think you can trick me into hacking into the military's secret internet subnet protocol throughput.

You are aware that the military has many sites and pages in the public domain don't you? That mean they free for public look at. Hopefully that was simple enough for you.

My Windows XP firewall keeps logs of all the attacks made against it, and it's damn good. It certainly stopped you from hacking into my system registry on more than one occasion.

Why in the blue hell would I want to attack your computer? Besides how would you even know it was me? My ISP issues me a dynamic IP address like most ISPs do. How would you know it was me? XP Firewall is pathetic.

Uh, who wouldn't? I'll tell you what, if I was a poor soul running one of the other renegade (but still quasi-legal, unlike Lunix) operating systems like *BSD,

Yes I'm sure Microsoft runs their entire network on desktop PCs.

I'd rather be on the Microsoft court enjoying full motion video powered by hardware acceleration in Microsoft's prestigious Media Player.

And that has what to do with firewalls?

Why do you think the file is file not found in the first place? Because you 404ed it, dumbass.

I file not found it?

Maybe your Open Sores one does. That's the downside to the whole Open Sores movement.

They all do. The IIS log file is Iis5.log just in case you wanted to know. All the information is available from Microsoft's PUBLIC tech support website.

Yeah, right. That's why I always see "500 Internal Server Error - Apache/1.3.23 Server at website Port 80." I never see "Microsoft IIS at website Port 80." No sir. So much for your "specifications" - maybe you Open Sores advocates can go back and fix your own buggy sauce code. You've got a long, long way to go to catch up to IIS.

A larger majority of webserver running IIS use custom error messages. Most sites running Apache don't bother. Of course there are more non IIS website so you can't get them all.

Seriously, arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall. Clearly reason and intelligence is beyond you, but anyone following this discussion has already picked up on that from yourself.

Yes and they would have seen that I have continued to debunk your claims with fact and that you are a paranoid loser living in a fantasy world where you believe you actually know something about computers.




I cut my hands up in the dark and just sat there and bled, while the whole world fell apart inside of my head.

I am perplexed at your idiocy. (none / 0) (#18)
by Yoshi on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 10:46:01 AM PST
Fine then, ping the local loopbacl (127.0.0.1). It never goes beyond your system and never even gets to the firewall.

My firewall is on my system. Obviously it would have to get through that first.

Apparently the site needs to have a giant message reading "PING ME MOTHERFUCKER!" I mean do you not get the whole point of site?

I doubt the whole "point of site" is to be P.I.N.Ged.

You are aware that the military has many sites and pages in the public domain don't you? That mean they free for public look at.

Why the hell would they jeopardize national security for "the public to look at" their own secret internet subdata transport? It's clear that terrorists like yourself would stop at nothing to download secret military files, but as a patriotic American, I refuse to put my country in danger.

How would you know it was me? XP Firewall is pathetic.

It recorded your iMac address, which your UPS doesn't change when you log on. The XP Firewall has stopped all of you hackers from illegally hijacking my machine thus far, why would I switch now?

Yes I'm sure Microsoft runs their entire network on desktop PCs.

They run their mainframes on Windows .NET Advanced Server.

The IIS log file is Iis5.log just in case you wanted to know.

I tried looking for it on my IIS server, but apparently it's been 404ed by a hacker like yourself. Will you hackers stop at anything?

A larger majority of webserver running IIS use custom error messages.

I thought earlier you, or someone else, said that error messages were controlled by this fictitious "W3C." Now, apparently, you're free to change them? We, the Adequacy.org readership can see right through your inconsistency and lies. Get your facts straight because making them up to win an argument is completely ridiculous.

you are ... living in a fantasy world where you believe you actually know something about computers.

I don't believe g**kdom is something to boast about, and I made no claims promoting being a g**k.

oh man (none / 0) (#19)
by William Sargis on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 02:53:27 PM PST
My firewall is on my system. Obviously it would have to get through that first.

Nope. Firewalls handle incomig and outgoing traffic. Since pinging the local loopback doesn't ever leave your computer (therefore is not outgoing) it never even deal with the firewall. It's a simple test to ensure that TCP/IP is install correctly.

I doubt the whole "point of site" is to be P.I.N.Ged.

Yep. They have a nice little test which reports your upload/download speeds as well as your ping rate.

Why the hell would they jeopardize national security for "the public to look at" their own secret internet subdata transport? It's clear that terrorists like yourself would stop at nothing to download secret military files, but as a patriotic American, I refuse to put my country in danger.

Because they're not national friggin secrets. Just like the FBI has a homepage with public information so do such organizations as the Department of Defense, NASA among others.

It recorded your iMac address, which your UPS doesn't change when you log on. The XP Firewall has stopped all of you hackers from illegally hijacking my machine thus far, why would I switch now?

Remember that little chat you had with what's his face? You know the one where you said there is no such thing as the MAC address? It's MAC as in Media Access Control (MAC) address not Mac as in Macinstosh.

They run their mainframes on Windows .NET Advanced Server.

First off they run Windows 2000 not .NET because there is no version beyond W2K. The next server OS from Microsoft is called simply Server.NET and it's not due out until mid/late 2004. So why would they run an unfinished Server OS? Also, do you even know what a mainframe is? Mainframe and server are not terms used synonymously. Try Windows 2000 Server/AS/Datacenter.

I tried looking for it on my IIS server, but apparently it's been 404ed by a hacker like yourself. Will you hackers stop at anything?

It's extremely hard to believe that you run IIS when you apparently seem to no so very little.

I thought earlier you, or someone else, said that error messages were controlled by this fictitious "W3C." Now, apparently, you're free to change them?

No the W3C specifies the number to their corresponding meaning. Never did I say that the W3C ever said you can change them. Besides if you would have read the documentation from the W3C it outlines custome error message as well as redirects.

I don't believe g**kdom is something to boast about, and I made no claims promoting being a g**k.

Yeah I noticed. Tell me, how much time and money do you spend with tech support when your monitor doesn't work only to find out it wasn't plugged in? Let me know when you can actually show some proof that backs up any part of you paranoid bullshit.




I cut my hands up in the dark and just sat there and bled, while the whole world fell apart inside of my head.

holy cow (none / 0) (#21)
by Yoshi on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 03:42:40 PM PST
Since pinging the local loopback doesn't ever leave your computer (therefore is not outgoing)

Explain to me how you can P.I.N.G yourself if the datagram SYN packet routing isn't even outgoing.

They have a nice little test which reports your upload/download speeds as well as your ping rate.

I see. Have you reported them, or should I?

Because they're not national friggin secrets. Just like the FBI has a homepage with public information so do such organizations as the Department of Defense, NASA among others.

No, they clearly are smart enough not to open up their secret military transmission for such vital functions as the crime-fighting FBI, national security of the DoD, and the space travel of NASA. Imagine if terrorists like you got ahold of this information from their .mil domain database.

You know the one where you said there is no such thing as the MAC address? It's MAC as in Media Access Control (MAC) address not Mac as in Macinstosh.

You and your colleagues keep spreading this bullshit. I don't need you with your little logging programs illegally ripping my iMac address from my token ring.

Mainframe and server are not terms used synonymously. Try Windows 2000 Server/AS/Datacenter.

I don't have any mainframes handy, so I have no need to run the Windows 2000 Datacenter platform. Microsoft's mainframes, on the other hand, have the benefit of utilizing state of the art Windows .NET software powering their Passport services.

It's extremely hard to believe that you run IIS when you apparently seem to no [sic] so very little.

Is that some kind of bad joke? I have had the pleasure working with plenty of IIS implementations on database server architectures. Unfortunately, I have also tested rudimentary implementations of apache, and it wasn't pretty. Where is Apache's control panel for adding folders, starting and stopping the process? This isn't 1970 anymore, buckeroo.

No the W3C specifies the number to their corresponding meaning.

But yet IIS has "custom" numbers. Yeah. Right. Whatever. Hey, news flash, your W3C crap won't cut it here. Patch your sauce code or admit you're wrong.

Let me know when you can actually show some proof that backs up any part of you paranoid bullshit.

I could say the same to you, but your only proof is illegal internal military ethernets that I would get busted for if I checked. Gotcha.

We are in India? (none / 0) (#23)
by The Mad Scientist on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 04:08:12 PM PST
Explain to me how you can P.I.N.G yourself if the datagram SYN packet routing isn't even outgoing.

Because it is local loopback.

Imagine if terrorists like you got ahold of this information from their .mil domain database.

Anyone who keeps secret data in publicly accessible systems sooner or later gets what he begs for - and it is only his fault.

I have had the pleasure working with plenty of IIS implementations on database server architectures.

I helped with migration of several servers from IIS to Apache. There were no problems with any one of the machines from then. This was after the Code Red 1/2 surge.

Unfortunately, I have also tested rudimentary implementations of apache, and it wasn't pretty.

What it misses on visual attractivity it has on stability and wormproofness.

Where is Apache's control panel for adding folders, starting and stopping the process?

/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

This isn't 1970 anymore, buckeroo.

Good old 1970's. Because of this technology, I can troubleshoot the servers from a Nokia Communicator - even from a running car. The principles from 1970's help me easily take care about machines in several different countries. You can play with your pretty icons as you want - but when things will get tough, you will cry for a VT52 terminal.


 
look at the nimrod (none / 0) (#24)
by William Sargis on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 05:11:22 PM PST
see. Have you reported them, or should I?

Why? It's voluntary. You give them permission when you click the link (on their site) which tells their system to perform the test.

I don't need you with your little logging programs illegally ripping my iMac address from my token ring.

Need I remind you of your diary entry entitled My Chat with Time Matthews? Why would I want your MAC address? By the way you do know that token ring is extremely slow (4/16Mbps). Why don't you step into the 21st century where even Joe Schmo dipshit knows more than you. Might I suggest starting by upgrading to ethernet (10/100/1000Mbps)? By the way what shareware program are you using as Microsoft dropped support for token ring in Windows 2000 and XP.

don't have any mainframes handy, so I have no need to run the Windows 2000 Datacenter platform. Microsoft's mainframes, on the other hand, have the benefit of utilizing state of the art Windows .NET software powering their Passport services.

Yes I'm sure Microsoft spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on mainframes. Amazing how companies like IBM never see a dime. Get it sttraight. Windows runs on x86 platforms. More likely they're running servers utilizes multiple Intel/AMD processors. Also the .NET framework isn't finish. Basically Passport and other such services are only bits and pieces of what .NET is. Hell Microsoft can't even figure out what it is.

But yet IIS has "custom" numbers. Yeah. Right. Whatever. Hey, news flash, your W3C crap won't cut it here. Patch your sauce code or admit you're wrong.

Custom numer!?! Nope. Customizes messages. Read through the W3C link. Basically the admin not IIS or Apache changes the default MESSAGE. Basically instead of using the cryptic 404-File Not Found they replace it with "Sorry that file cannot be found on this server" or something to that effect. It's the same message just made more dumbass friendly.

Gotcha.

You do have shit. Once again you got shot down. There's no shame in admitting that you are way over your head and that you really have no idea what you are talking about. I think maybe you should just walk away. Everytime you come up with stupid fantasy paranoid bullshit I (or someone else) will continually shoot it down.




I cut my hands up in the dark and just sat there and bled, while the whole world fell apart inside of my head.

 
Little note. (none / 0) (#14)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 11:14:32 PM PST
Why don't you use a real software firewall like ZoneAlarm or the award winning BlackICE. It's far more feature rich than the shitwall in XP.

There are some informations about certain ineffectivities in BlackICE. ZoneAlarm isn't adequate for some more sophisticated uses.

Personally I would suggest free and very very good Tiny Personal Firewall. (The next better thing is a separate $15 machine running Linux firewall, and the next better thing over it is the same machine running OpenBSD firewall.)

XP firewall is better than nothing at all, but even BlackICE leaves it far behind biting the dust.

MS firewall sux (none / 0) (#16)
by William Sargis on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 04:54:09 AM PST
Seriously it does. Here's a short list of software firwalls for the Win32 platform which are arguably better than the pile of crap included with XP.

BlackICE Defender
McAfee Firewall
Norton Personal Firewall
Tiny Personal Firewall
ZoneAlarm

Test your firewall online

Gibson Research Center's ShieldsUP!
Security Space
Network Scan




I cut my hands up in the dark and just sat there and bled, while the whole world fell apart inside of my head.

 
Dude. You're being a spaz. (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 06:33:40 PM PST
Look, I can appreciate what you're trying to do here, and I'm aware of the shortcomings of the audience you're trying to reach, but you know what?

It's still pretty lame.

Maybe it's just a matter of personal taste, but I'd really like to see you grow up a bit, maybe learn a new trick or two.

Now that you know you can wind up a certain sort of bigot any time you want, don't you feel that urge to move on to other things?

Go for it. You know you can do it.

No. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by dmg on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 08:40:44 PM PST
Now that you know you can wind up a certain sort of bigot any time you want, don't you feel that urge to move on to other things?

So long as the uninvited morons keep coming here and spouting off, we will keep exposing their stupidity for all to see.

That's how it works.
That's what we do.
That's the most controversial site on the Internet.

Adequacy - Love it, or leave it.

time to give a Newtonian demonstration - of a bullet, its mass and its acceleration.
-- MC Hawking

You don't understand. (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 10:29:57 PM PST
I know where I am, thank you very much, and what goes on here. I don't have a problem with that. In fact, I like it.

My concern is rather for Mr. Yoshi, who I fear will atrophy if he does not learn any new notes to play. The tune he keeps playing, over and over again, is starting to make me sad.

I appreciate that. (none / 0) (#13)
by Yoshi on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 11:07:26 PM PST
Thanks for your concern, sparky. I assure you, however, I've got at least one thing under wraps. Do not fret for me, for I will not be sidetracked by mindless zealotry and ignorant idiocy.

Comparison (none / 0) (#28)
by because it isnt on Mon Mar 25th, 2002 at 03:17:53 AM PST
Yoshi:Thanks for your concern, sparky. I assure you, however, I've got at least one thing under wraps. Do not fret for me, for I will not be sidetracked by mindless zealotry and ignorant idiocy.

Kyle Reese:It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
adequacy.org -- because it isn't

Ooh! How precious! (none / 0) (#29)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Mar 26th, 2002 at 12:03:57 AM PST
That's the loveliest pansy I've seen in ages!

You must send me some seedlings! This is no time to be coy!

 
Poor Yoshi .... (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 03:12:41 PM PST
I don't think Yoshi's brain is in danger. He is still innovating. Didn't you see the iMac address ? That's brand new stuff.

 
Thanks dmg (none / 0) (#17)
by iat on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 06:21:51 AM PST
Adequacy - Love it, or leave it.

Thanks dmg, I'm going to steal that for my signature.


Adequacy.org - love it or leave it.

 
I think... (none / 0) (#2)
by heimdall on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 04:07:36 PM PST
that all "hacking" should be banned and only registered coders should be allowed to make software for the community or, say, the capitalistic market (mmmm...blood of the people...*slurp*).

too many people are abusing the privileges that have been given to them and the majority must be punished for the crimes of the few. it's the only way to prevent hackers from attacking adequacy.org or other respectable websites in the future.

The million-dollar question (none / 0) (#5)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 04:57:54 PM PST
...that all "hacking" should be banned and only registered coders should be allowed to make software for the community or, say, the capitalistic market

The million-dollar question: How to enforce it?

The genie is out of the bottle and is everything but eager to get back. Hee!

too many people are abusing the privileges that have been given to them

Writing code is not a privilege. It is a right.

and the majority must be punished for the crimes of the few. it's the only way to prevent hackers from attacking adequacy.org or other respectable websites in the future.

The only way is to maintain good security. But it is in the hands of the site admins themselves.


Hrm... (none / 0) (#6)
by heimdall on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 05:09:29 PM PST
The million-dollar question: How to enforce it?

The genie is out of the bottle and is everything but eager to get back. Hee!

limit who has access to computers. get Microsoft to assist with this.

Writing code is not a privilege. It is a right.

I don't know how to write code...should I learn to so I can use my God-given right?

And how can you say that you have the 'right' to make code? Do you also believe that music and software should be free and that software and music piracy is good because you're 'sticking it to the Man'?

I'm afraid I don't exactly understand why you think that coding is a right.

The only way is to maintain good security. But it is in the hands of the site admins themselves.

Sure, but if you have good security and nobody is nuking your box, isn't that twice as good?

Heh! (none / 0) (#7)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Mar 23rd, 2002 at 06:10:08 PM PST
limit who has access to computers.

With a computer already next to everywhere, tough luck. And computer manufacturers wouldn't like it.

And even if it would happen, a black market with computers would appear overnight.

get Microsoft to assist with this.

If you mean to randomly reduce access to computers by crashing them, they are already doing it. And not every machine is MS-dependent.

I don't know how to write code...should I learn to so I can use my God-given right?

If you want to have the power that comes with the knowledge, yes.

And how can you say that you have the 'right' to make code?

How you can say I don't?

Do you also believe that music and software should be free and that software and music piracy is good because you're 'sticking it to the Man'?

Irrelevant for this discussion.

I'm afraid I don't exactly understand why you think that coding is a right.

I am afraid I don't understand why it shouldn't be. Code is a form of self-expression. If writing in human-readable languages is allowed, why computer-readable languages should be any exception? The only difference is in the strictness of syntax rules.

Sure, but if you have good security and nobody is nuking your box, isn't that twice as good?

No. Failed attempts in logs serve for two purposes: they serve as a mild ego-booster, and they keep the admins in touch with the reality, reminding them about the dangers and keeping them on feet, and letting them know that the monitoring and logging systems are functional. I prefer low sustaining levels of danger over apparent safety. Too quiet situation only means that the excrement is already on its way towards the fan.


 
re: em (none / 0) (#22)
by nathan on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 04:01:07 PM PST
No native Spanish speakers clean my workspace, but one of them is my boss. Does that count?

Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

re: em (none / 0) (#25)
by walwyn on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 05:46:11 PM PST
The native Spanish speakers in my office are mainly translators.

And neither [ki'xote] or [ki'hote] quite render 'quixotic' in quite the manner intended.


FUNNY (none / 0) (#26)
by William Sargis on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 06:55:50 PM PST
I find it funny when people get so upset about how people pronounce certain words in Spanish or even other languages. Ever listen to a Mexican and a Cuban bitch about how to say certain words? It's different dialects. In Spain alone there are two main dialects. They both use the exact same words but emphasize different parts of the word.

I mean I'm French and Peruvian. The way my family in America speaks is slightly different than my family in Peru.




I cut my hands up in the dark and just sat there and bled, while the whole world fell apart inside of my head.

weird... (3.00 / 1) (#27)
by nathan on Sun Mar 24th, 2002 at 08:12:26 PM PST
Do you normally leap into a discussion and rant about unconnected crap?

You do? Uh, carry on, then.

Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

 

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