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 Apache 2.0 - Still Not a Contender?

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Apr 12, 2002
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Fresh on the heels of Microsoft's revealed plans for Windows .NET, the Apache Project has released their own major upgrade of their server software, named Apache 2.0. For those of you in the dark, "Apache" is actually an Open Sores implementation of the Microsoft HyperText Movement Language Protocol (HTML). Today's release will inevitably lead to a gold rush of piracy of Apache's sauce codes as dozens of Lunix and *BSD fans around the world flock to the underground FTP servers to download them.
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Apache 2.0 has been for a long time coming with respect to its nearest competitor, Microsoft IIS 5.0. The logical question asked by many system administrators to the Apache team is, "what the hell took so long?" Unfortunately, upon further investigation, it's quite simple to see exactly the problem behind Apache's delayed release. Playing catch-up is not the way to do business.

Just ask any of the Lunix developers, like Alan Cocks, who have spent many years implementing rudimentary core operating system features that Windows has had for years, such as simple disk defragmenters. Did you know there is still no viable Restore Wizard for the Lunix operating system much in the way that Windows ME or Windows XP can restore your files?

Apache suffers from the same 'catch-up' syndrome. The team behind Apache has consistently found Apache merely cloning the features that IIS has had for ages, such as Windows NT Domain Authentication and Friendly Error Pages, which Apache still does not have.

Apache drones are quick to point out the features that Apache does have, of which IIS does not. One particular aspect is its support for low-level binary PEARL codes. Using a DLL file called "mod_PEARL.dll," one can use the PEARL language, created over 15 years ago by Floyd Walton, to execute Intel opcodes to speed up the HyperText Teleport Program, the Apache plug-in which translates binary .CHM (Codependent Hypertext Movement) files for human-readable ASCII (American Strict Code for International Information) export to other non-terrorist nations. The MMX rendering device in your Intel processor speeds up the transaction of these approved .CHM documents by over 80% in comparison to non-MMX Asian processors.

Apache 2.0's implementation of PEARL comes with many benefits. While on one hand, enterprises can now harness the power of Intel's MMX microprocessor, at the same time, the bandwidth output by such a system increases twofold, as Apache must send the .CHM over the raw HTML protocol, which sometimes can increase the download time for modem users by twice as much.

This is where Microsoft IIS reigns supreme. Rather than implement Open Sauce PEARL codecs, Microsoft implemented their own binary parsing application, called ASP - Assembled Site Pages. These pages can contain any form of scripting language recognizable to Windows Scripting Host to designate output to the HTML protocol. ASP has caught on in the business world, and now, over 86% of the Fortune 500 companies are using implementations of Assembled Site Pages to not only maximize the potential of MMX Xeon processors, but also minimize the download times for their .CHM files.

Also lacking in the realm of Apache usability is an easy to use configuration tool for your server. With Microsoft IIS 5.0, you can easily manage your site from the Control Panel of Windows. Unfortunately, there exists no such Control Panel in Lunix unless you use one of the renegade Windows clones such as KDE or Gnome. Even then, you must still MANUALLY edit the Apache sauce codes and change the httpd.conf "directives." This is often time-consuming and bug-prone, as the server itself is not guaranteed to start after any revisions are made.

Where Apache really falls short, as does every Open Sores product, is in the adherence to the law. For many years, Microsoft has implemented RSAC (Rate of Site Appropriateness and Content), which is a content locking mechanism to prevent the prevalence of child pornography on the internet. Apache, like its DeCess Open Sores brethren, refuses to implement simple FBI controls which would prevent this type of obscene, illegal and immoral behavior. Not even a simple inclusion or a "mod_RSAC.dll" codec is included to block child porn websites from the internet. This is more than a glaring oversight - this is a blind slap in the face of the law.

While there is no way to reliably tell which websites are powered by commercial servers and which are powered by Communist clones, many experts in the field claim that IIS holds a large majority share of Fortune 500 companies - businesses in which the satisfaction of customers is tantamount. This is, of course, the opposite scenario from the hacker scene, where illegally modified Apache versions without the Content Rating system allow for the quick and easy transfer of viruses, pornography and terrorist documents.

For any server administrator contemplating upgrading their servers to Apache 2.0, I urge you to step back and think about your actions. Microsoft IIS has a proven track record for the latest patches and security fixes, while Apache drones holler and scream "RTFM" and "COMPILE THIS" in their own little hacker Google Groups. Unless you're a child pornography dealer, you have absolutely no reason to be using Apache at all. Any of the vile, malignant scum perusing the benefits of the 'Apache' distribution mechanism should stop, take a look in the mirror, and turn their life around. There is more to life than the sexual exploitation of children. Get a grip on reality, pervert.

Microsoft IIS is packaged free with all editions of Windows 2000.


Oh god, no. (4.00 / 1) (#2)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 07:56:56 AM PST
Please, adequate editors, Yoshi is an idiot who think's he's "funny" in making up lies. Of the most glaring errors:
  • HTML stands for "Hooray! The Monkey's Lactating!", not "HyperText Movement Language"
  • Floyd Walton is the little robot in Planetfall, not the inventor of Pearl.
  • .CHM stands for "Crack Here, Moderators!" and is only available on Slashdot.
I could go on, but made-up acronyms are even less funny than joke haiku. They don't impress anyone.


Don't you get it? (0.00 / 2) (#19)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 09:47:21 AM PST
All the adequacy editors are idiots who think they are funny.
Now, Yoshi actually managed to get to much bullshit into this article that it's almost funny to read even when you know their motivation.
It's impressive how much bullshit they take the time to create out of thin air to discredit something they don't even understand.




 
bullocks (none / 0) (#41)
by Yoshi on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 01:47:04 PM PST
That's insane. Your own "information" doesn't even have to do with the MSHTML protocol. If you want to start making up bogus facts to try to prove your point, there are other sites devoted for wankers just like yourself. Please, go frolick along on your merry way. No one needs your crap here.


heh (1.00 / 1) (#45)
by PotatoError on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 03:53:17 PM PST
What in fucks name is a mshtml protocol? Go write science fiction elsewhere.
<<JUMP! POGO POGO POGO BOUNCE! POGO POGO POGO>>

Actually (5.00 / 3) (#52)
by detikon on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 04:37:00 PM PST
What is the Micorosft Hypertext Markup Language? It's actually a proprietary protocol that Microsoft tried to implement so many years ago. They tried to implement it into their server software. Then if/when they got approval they could cut off every non-Windows user from the Internet.

Of course none of their corporate client remotely liked the idea. Sure it would be nice to unify the computer world under one platform but MS still hadn't really even enter the server market when they first proposed it. The idea is still considered idiotic even today, long after MS dropped plans for it. It's changed names quite a few time (mhtml, msml, whtml, winhtml).

Another reason that protocol failed is because MS is known for it's crappy implementations of standard protocols. Could that be the reason for all those extensions and not the idea of being proprietary jerkoffs?




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

 
free! (none / 0) (#3)
by because it isnt on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:01:35 AM PST
Microsoft IIS is packaged free with all editions of Windows 2000.

In much the same way that you get a free toy in every McDonald's Happy Meal.
adequacy.org -- because it isn't

I see (none / 0) (#6)
by budlite on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:26:29 AM PST
It's something that looks interesting for a few seconds, if you're attentive, and is then cast aside in favour of something else entirely, yes?


Er, no. (none / 0) (#11)
by because it isnt on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:41:21 AM PST
More that you get an nice surprise with your nutritious meal.
adequacy.org -- because it isn't

hmm (none / 0) (#12)
by budlite on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:44:35 AM PST
using the word "nutritious" in relation to McDonalds. Quite an oxymoron, really. I mean the food may taste pleasant, but it's definitely not good for you.


Psst! Hey buddy... (2.50 / 2) (#14)
by because it isnt on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:48:20 AM PST
there's something you should know. It would help a lot if you knew.
adequacy.org -- because it isn't

I'm sorry but... (none / 0) (#30)
by walwyn on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 12:12:28 PM PST
...to many clues have been wasted on the clueless.


In deference (2.00 / 1) (#43)
by jvance on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 01:53:42 PM PST
to seventypercent's comments attached to this story, I am unhiding Mr. Isn't's comment.
--
Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

 
Follow the links. (none / 0) (#27)
by jvance on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 11:33:14 AM PST
They're provided for a reason.
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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

 
Hmm (none / 0) (#4)
by budlite on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:16:57 AM PST
Adequacy are child pornography dealers?

I also notice that netcraft have been asked not to show what HTTP server program is being used on this site...

This article is just funny, to be honest. I don't believe you have any real knowledge of computers, you're just stringing together little factoids into garbled and incorrect sentences.


Oh, do excuse me (3.00 / 2) (#5)
by budlite on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:23:51 AM PST
After supplying the IP address (66.180.229.40) to netcraft's "What's that site running?" tool, it would appear that Adequacy is running Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) with mod_perl/1.26, under FreeBSD.

Do forgive me for not doing this earlier.


Hypocrisy? (none / 0) (#8)
by because it isnt on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:30:37 AM PST
Your accusation of hypocrisy does not hold.

Yoshi isn't even in charge of the coffee machine, never mind the precious Adequacy web-server. Anything that raving lunatic says should not be considered as the definitive opinion of Adequacy.org
adequacy.org -- because it isn't

I know... (none / 0) (#10)
by budlite on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:39:11 AM PST
Anything that raving lunatic says should not be considered as the definitive opinion of Adequacy.org

...But it's inevitable that this issue would come up somewhere along the way, so I just decided to get it over and done with.


 
I cant speak for the server admins, (none / 0) (#18)
by JoePain on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 09:09:02 AM PST
but i will forever believe that link was probably designed *specifically* to make this site look bad. There is NO WAY this site would endorse communism.


Fine. (none / 0) (#23)
by budlite on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 10:45:27 AM PST
Just perform a reverse DNS query on www.adequacy.org, and that's the IP that'll pop up. Then stick it into the Netcraft tool and that software is what'll pop up.

You don't have to believe me. I'm right whatever you think.


No (none / 0) (#40)
by Yoshi on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 01:41:49 PM PST
Extracting IP token information is a criminal offense and such hacker attacks against Adequacy.org are not tolerated. Just a little heads-up when you're writing your affidavit.


Ah yes.... (none / 0) (#44)
by budlite on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 03:44:44 PM PST
...the old IP tokens. Just remind me never to let you near a vital business or scientific network.


In reality (none / 0) (#48)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 04:01:43 PM PST
If they their software was made so 'adequacy.org' showed up as running apache, wouldn't they be able to do the same thing with the IP?


Eh? (none / 0) (#51)
by budlite on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 04:33:38 PM PST
What? Whose software? and do what the same with the IP? Do you mean that adequacy.org would spoof their IP, or what?


Get a clue. (5.00 / 2) (#59)
by tkatchev on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 12:24:03 AM PST
Spoofing your IP is illegal in most cases, and most likely prohibited by their provider. (If their provider still has a conscience.)


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Peace and much love...




I know that (none / 0) (#69)
by budlite on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 10:28:02 AM PST
I was trying to work out exactly what that guy was asking.


 
Maybe illegal, (none / 0) (#72)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 11:54:06 AM PST
...but still way too useful to waive.

Take away SNAT and DNAT targets from iptables, and I'll go after you.[1]

[1] Though more likely I will ignore you and just take the source and reimplement them.


[1] You'll do neither. (5.00 / 1) (#76)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 02:43:17 PM PST
'Cause you cant.


Are you sure? (none / 0) (#78)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 03:42:41 PM PST
'Cause you cant.

I have the source code. I have the compiler. I have the knowledge. The only two missing components are the desire (because it is there already) and the time (which becomes available when the desire is high enough).

Therefore I can.


you can't (none / 0) (#81)
by detikon on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 08:57:38 PM PST
Why? Because Adequacy.org is protected by their own proprietary, uh um wait Microsoft IIS on Windows 5000, no um it was FreeBSD but it was so heavily modified that it's not anymore...

Oh crap can I start over?




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

No (5.00 / 1) (#85)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 02:28:43 AM PST
Oh crap can I start over?

What was wrong with NAWL?


 
prove it (5.00 / 1) (#84)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 02:27:02 AM PST
I have the knowledge.

Only programmers have The Knowledge, which they demonstrate by linking to their tc/pipi codes and trinkets on pretend capitalist networks like OSDN. According to your previous admissions, you're a resentful tech-support flunkie who likes to polish guns and plot vengeance against The Lusers.

Forgive me if I dont immediately swoon.


Doing so. (none / 0) (#88)
by The Mad Scientist on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 07:23:25 AM PST
Only programmers have The Knowledge, which they demonstrate by linking to their tc/pipi codes and trinkets on pretend capitalist networks like OSDN.

I am one of The Illuminati, of The Programmers.

OSDN is pretending capitalism? I always thought it is here for sharing knowledge and code, not for pretending anything?

According to your previous admissions, you're a resentful tech-support flunkie who likes to polish guns and plot vengeance against The Lusers.

Resentful, yes, mostly when awakened after two hours of sleep. Techsupport, for now yes, in addition to my normal duties, which explains the resentfulness. Flunkie, I doubt so - can a flunkie do job of three people? My techsupport days are going to their end - the company grew under my feet from 10 to 50 people and what was a matter of a phonecall here and there became sorta second job. You know that tale about a frog and boiling water. The application for new techsupport person was admitted and my new right hand is getting hired in 1-3 weeks; I picked one certain person and now I am waiting until his employer will release him. Then the total IT staff will double, so there will be two people who know what a RJ45 is and where to stick it, and I will be able to do my beloved programming full-time again.

Is this enough of a proof for you?


 
So surfing to adequacy is illegal (none / 0) (#115)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Apr 17th, 2002 at 09:13:25 AM PST
So every time I enter 'adequacy.org' in my browser and pressing [enter], I'm commiting a criminal offense because my browser then performs a reverse DNS lookup? I don't know, but of some strange reason it seem to be a good thing if browsers knew the address of a site before trying to contact it.


 
I am sorry (none / 0) (#39)
by Yoshi on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 01:38:34 PM PST
Unfortunately, in this day in age, we can't hold computers to unfettered 100% reliability. Any of you Lunix hacks should know this by now. Such is the case with this "Netcraft" operation, which consistently misreports Adequacy.org as being powered by such un-American products as the Apache or FreeLSD. I am going to ask you cease misrepresenting Adequacy.org's backend statistics, as, quite frankly, it is none of your concern nor business what it does run. I can assure you that it is, however, powered by the latest Microsoft Windows .NET release with IIS 6.0.


ahhh (none / 0) (#62)
by detikon on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 06:46:19 AM PST
Perhaps you would feel better if we submitted queries to IDC the Gartner Group (considered Microsoft's buddies until the said that IIS was shit). Amazingly enough, Netcraft is used constantly by news organisations that are actually taken seriously.

If I recall (being a long time reader, this stuff is so funny) you believe that PC World and PC Magazine to be reputable sources for news and information. Would it surprise you to know that both magazines utilize Netcraft for their research?




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

 
Re: Oh, do excuse me (none / 0) (#102)
by jbryce on Mon Apr 15th, 2002 at 11:42:39 AM PST
and what's more, it is powered by Scoop, which is created by those "communists" at Kuro5hin.org.

Don't worry, Apache / BSD is approved by microsoft. They use it on their own servers as well, especially the ones advertising how much better NT / IIS is.


Hullo there (none / 0) (#103)
by budlite on Mon Apr 15th, 2002 at 01:13:49 PM PST
Bit of a shock seeing your name come up...


 
On the contrary my dear fellow (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:28:42 AM PST
<p>Yoshi does in fact appear to have a very strong knowledge of computers.

<p>You, on the other hand, are a cad and a bounder.


And you... (1.00 / 1) (#9)
by budlite on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:36:56 AM PST
..are too stupid to notice the little drop-down list that allows you to choose whether to post in plain text or HTML formatted mode.

If you believe what Yoshi writes then you're even dumber than I first thought. And I thought you were pretty dumb.


My point was (5.00 / 4) (#16)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 09:02:04 AM PST
Good satire requires a working knowledge of the subject matter.

Therefore Yoshi actually knows a fair bit about both subjects in question.

Have now realised that plain text is the default. Apologies for that momentary lapse.


And herein lies the problem with the internet (none / 0) (#32)
by budlite on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 12:29:48 PM PST
It's sometimes bloody hard to work out the context of what is being said. Sorry about the insults.


 
Excellent! (none / 0) (#13)
by because it isnt on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:44:56 AM PST
Still no point-by-point rebuttals!

Ah, Yoshi, your target audience have left already! Now you're out of work! Haw haw!
adequacy.org -- because it isn't

Good work, Yoshi (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 09:02:47 AM PST
I really liked it!

-- flaw


 
Well done. (none / 0) (#116)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Apr 20th, 2002 at 04:09:51 PM PST
Nice grammar.


 
Very serious question for those with a clue. (5.00 / 2) (#15)
by tkatchev on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 08:56:43 AM PST
WARNING: Don't read the rest of this post if you are an idiot.

Question: Does Apache 2.0 still suck as bad as before? Does it still waste massive resources for the simple task of copying files into a pipe? Does it still have a horrible and antiquated configuration scheme, left over from the days of freeware undergrad diploma projects? Does it still have a demented plugin system?

I'm very interested in your answers. For some reason, I have a misguided hope that the Apache team has finally learned to output good code.


--
Peace and much love...




RE:your message (1.00 / 3) (#20)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 10:22:53 AM PST
Heh, translation is as follows: "I'm a clubie who is completely helpless and can't run a Web server unless I have some GUI to help me and a bowl to drool in." Apache is the most powerful and flexible web server ever in history. IIS is a child's toy with about 8 million useless features and an equal number of security holes. IIS, along with various Windows OS's, has cost the computing industry billions of dollars in security/hacker-related downtime. As opposed to Apache, for which the numbers are so low they are not even available.


Rated 0. (3.00 / 2) (#22)
by tkatchev on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 10:40:52 AM PST
The poster apparently couldn't figure out what the subject line of my post meant.


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Peace and much love...




Rated 2 (5.00 / 1) (#29)
by seventypercent on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 12:04:30 PM PST
Zero ratings are to be applied to crapfloods, "first posts", penis birds, "goatse.cx", and (most notably) trolls. They do not exist to hide the opinions of those you disagree with, no matter how moronic said opinions may be. This is an abuse of Trusted User status. I do not believe this is the first time we have had this conversation.

--
Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux.

Hello? (3.28 / 7) (#31)
by tkatchev on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 12:28:24 PM PST
Where do you draw the line between "opinion" and "crapflood"?

Are you going to deny that there are a people for whom goatse.cx is a genuine and honest of their sexuality and spiritual life? Are you going to stifle the sincerely-held opinions of these people?

Please don't let your closed-minded circle-jerk mentality cloud your good sense; just because incoherent raving is acceptable at slashdot doesn't mean it should be allowed on normal forums. In decent company, moronic babbling that the parent poster demonstrated is considered much to be much more obscene than run-of-the-mill "first post" or crapflooding.

Besides, there probably exist some obscene pervert weblogs where goatse.cx and other homosexualist paraphenalia is considered to be in good taste; are you going to use these people as a model for good public conduct, as well?

I belive the adequacy needs to develop its own standard for good posting; "kiddie talk" should be equated with goatse.cx on the obscenity scale.

Have a good day, and please do not talk down to me.


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Peace and much love...




oops (none / 0) (#33)
by tkatchev on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 12:31:49 PM PST
"...geniune and sincery-held expression of their sexuality...", of course.

There is a stray "much" in there, as well.


--
Peace and much love...




 
Hello! (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by seventypercent on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 01:47:14 PM PST
Where do you draw the line between "opinion" and "crapflood"?

That's pretty easy. I wouldn't call 20 separate copies of "The Gay Linux Conspiracy" posted to the same article within 10 minutes of each other an "opinion." Similarly, I would not consider a "page-widening post" consisting of a random string of ASCII characters an "opinion." Oh, I suppose if you got the boys at Bletchley Park on the case, you might be able to extract some sort of hidden message from said string, but it seems rather doubtful that the message would represent some sort of valid opinion that would be relevant to the subject at hand.

Are you going to deny that there are a people for whom goatse.cx is a genuine and honest of their sexuality and spiritual life?

Yes.

Are you going to stifle the sincerely-held opinions of these people?

Absolutely.

Of course, if we ever did a story about grotesque bodily abuses and deformations, then such material might be on-topic and appropriate. Fortunately, I do not forsee the day that Adequacy.org would stoop to such a level.

Please don't let your closed-minded circle-jerk mentality cloud your good sense; just because incoherent raving is acceptable at slashdot doesn't mean it should be allowed on normal forums. In decent company, moronic babbling that the parent poster demonstrated is considered much to be much more obscene than run-of-the-mill "first post" or crapflooding.

Well, I do not believe that I have a "closed-minded circle-jerk mentality." I demand an adherence to strict Scriptural principles from my family, friends, and business partners, but that is neither here nor there. The idea that moronic (but nonetheless topical) babbling is inferior to page-widening posts, sexual material, trashy ASCII art, and anti-Semetic diatribes is an interesting one, but I'm afraid that I cannot agree.

Now, you and I may consider "Apache is the most powerful and flexible web server ever in history" to be a completely inane statement, but it has two things going for it that "goatse.cx" does not. In particular, it is 1) apropos (this story is about Apache, for crying out loud) and 2) controversial. To the extent that this comment (and comments like it) can generate further passionate and controversial discussion, it is to the benefit of Adequacy, not the detriment.

I belive the adequacy needs to develop its own standard for good posting; "kiddie talk" should be equated with goatse.cx on the obscenity scale.

That is your opinion, you are welcome to it, and you have now gone on the record with it. My only wish is that you take this as a polite reminder that the zero rating ability is not intended to be used to silence those with whom you disagree. That is all.

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Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux.

WHAATT!?!? (5.00 / 3) (#60)
by jsm on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 05:27:06 AM PST
Of course, if we ever did a story about grotesque bodily abuses and deformations, then such material might be on-topic and appropriate. Fortunately, I do not forsee the day that Adequacy.org would stoop to such a level.

Elby, can he enforce this? I've got a story about the piercing/fisting scene half-written and I'm fucked if I'm going to throw away four months of painstaking research to please the sensibilities of Rightmann and 70%.

... the worst tempered and least consistent of the adequacy.org editors
... now also Legal department and general counsel, adequacy.org

Please stop (none / 0) (#71)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 11:15:43 AM PST
It upsets us kids when Editors fight.


 
hmmm (5.00 / 4) (#73)
by nathan on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 12:50:51 PM PST
It sounds like that'd be a real pain in the ass, alright.

Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

 
It's about quality, not about agreement. (5.00 / 2) (#61)
by tkatchev on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 05:36:26 AM PST
I zeroed the post because the poster was clearly illiterate, not because I disagree with him.

Personally, I have nothing against "Open Source" and Apache in particular, when used appropriately.

I welcome people who can provide me with quality information on the good sides of Apache, and would in fact greatly appreciate such posts.

What I absolutely cannot appreciate are posts written by people who clearly haven't mastered the difficult art of reading.


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Peace and much love...




umm, this is all a joke, right? (none / 0) (#126)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Apr 26th, 2002 at 11:50:59 AM PST
ummm. . . am I missing something? I thought this was a humor site. The articles are all hilariously wrong, in all facts, even simple names.

But, people are actually arguing about these articles in the posts.

"I welcome people who can provide me with quality information on the good sides of Apache, and would in fact greatly appreciate such posts." Here? HERE?

If this site is not a joke, then the use of LSD in the population is much higher than I thought. How wasted to you have to be to argue about FAKE, BS, PARADY ARTICLES. (good, god I hope these are fakes.)



 
I use Apache... (2.50 / 4) (#21)
by gordonjcp on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 10:39:55 AM PST
... and it's pretty good. But it does lack some of IIS's features. For example, it just doesn't support the Nimda or Code Red worms, at all.

Anyway, since when did Linux or BSD need a disk defragmenter?


duh (5.00 / 3) (#38)
by Yoshi on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 01:33:40 PM PST
I hear you emphasize "need" as if it's good to keep your disks enfragmentized. I can assure you, an enfragmentized disk shortens its life drastically, as the disk coils have to unpolarize the platters twice as much. Now tell me that your little Lunix crap doesn't need a defragmenter.


oh yea (none / 0) (#46)
by PotatoError on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 03:59:06 PM PST
dont forget that unpolarization of the disk platters will eventually lead to certain magnetic failure in the Monitor spectrum set.

I recomend you install Linux - not just a kernel but also an operating system AND the best system diagnostic tool money can buy.
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education (none / 0) (#125)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Apr 25th, 2002 at 02:11:26 PM PST
"Trolling is not tolerated here."

Hey, look at that.

Go read something about filesystems. There is a reason FAT32 needs to be defragmented while FFS and ext2fs do not.


 
The problem with Apache (4.00 / 2) (#24)
by PotatoError on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 10:50:55 AM PST
There are many Apache advocates out there but I they have obviously just been brainwashed by its creators and possibly the government too.

Its not a particually spectatular piece of technology and lets face it - there have been several major faults reported and how many times have we heard of one going down????

Such a huge waste of money.

Also I think they are far too easy to take down. If I really wanted to im sure I could do it - as long as I had the right equipment obviously. And I would want to be in a forest or something. Because forests are safer cuz they cant see you (I think). In the open you would have no chance.

Anyway Apaches suck - spend the money on better guns or something.
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Simple. (none / 0) (#25)
by tkatchev on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 10:56:29 AM PST
Use a portable ground-to-air missile; those things have been proven to be extremely effective in Afghanistan.


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ta (none / 0) (#26)
by PotatoError on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 11:13:20 AM PST
like a stinger. The problem ive got is - how do I get good line of site AND cover at the same time though?
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Who needs it? (none / 0) (#28)
by tkatchev on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 11:56:49 AM PST
The thing is, something like a Stringer is cheap enough and simple enough to operate that anyone can use it -- e.g. homeless Afghan kids, gangbangers, illiterate herdsmen, etc.

In such a situation, you don't really need good cover to inflict massive damage. Sadly, in our modern post-WWII world, there are enough "disposable" people to make safety considerations irrelevant.

The only problem is that, as of now, there is no mass production of cheap Stinger-class missiles; if one is ever invented, it could cause a political and social revolution comparable to one caused by the AK-47[1]. At the very least, it would definitely cause the U.S. to reconsider its "bomb 'em back to the stone age" military doctrine.

[1] The AK-47 is one of the most important symbols of the modern "Third World". In fact, it is such an archetypical symbol in the "Third World" that it is depicted on many coats-of-arms along with ancient tribal symbols.


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Cheap missiles (none / 0) (#55)
by The Mad Scientist on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 06:04:37 PM PST
The only problem is that, as of now, there is no mass production of cheap Stinger-class missiles; if one is ever invented, it could cause a political and social revolution comparable to one caused by the AK-47.

Maybe it is going to be solved soon.

Qassam-2 missiles, however crude, are the first step. With just a little of electronics, radio guidance is possible - a pair of servos, for X and Y axes, well within the skills of any better plane model hobbyist. Small TV transmitter at the top of the warhead can improve the guidance accuracy in orders of magnitude; 5 miles range requires rather high output power, but considering it will not have to operate for more than the few seconds of flight time, the batteries will not be prohibitively heavy as well.

TV transmitter may sound as an overkill, but could be actually much easier to design than ie. laser guidance systems, which require much more sophisticated electronics and powerful microcontrollers, and are inevitably too heavy and unreliable for garage manufacture. Guidance units can be built off-site, but it adds logistics problems.

And how to guide it? You ever played Unreal Tournament? Find a Redeemer, and try yourself; the simulation is crude but gives you an idea. Which leads me to suggestion to use computer simulators for training of the missile operators - because the missiles rely on manual guidance, the operators are their critical accessory. A test launch of a missile costs money and poses risk; the cost of a simulated missile ride is negligible. The biggest problem here is the missile flight model.

Stingers are overpriced.


You are grossly misguided. (none / 0) (#58)
by tkatchev on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 12:09:05 AM PST
You see, the bottleneck is in the people, not in the technology.

The problem in modern warfare is designing such a technology so it can be used by untrained, disposable soldiers. (i.e. grunts, cannon fodder.) Your proposal only makes the problem more difficult.

Can you imagine Afghan herdsmen sitting in secret bunkers and training secret missile guiders using sophisticated computer simulations? Get real. Neither can I. Whereas I can easily imagine 14-year-old mujahedin firing off Stingers out from behind the outhouse. In fact, the previous Afghan wars proved that this tactic is extremely effective.


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You are right. Mostly. (none / 0) (#64)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 08:24:05 AM PST
You see, the bottleneck is in the people, not in the technology.

Both are the bottlenecks. One at each side.

The problem in modern warfare is designing such a technology so it can be used by untrained, disposable soldiers.

Which is impossible from certain level of technology up.

(i.e. grunts, cannon fodder.) Your proposal only makes the problem more difficult.

An ounce of training is more than a pound of equipment.

Can you imagine Afghan herdsmen sitting in secret bunkers and training secret missile guiders using sophisticated computer simulations?

It isn't so long ago I played a flight simulator on a not really modern laptop. A whole open-source system for flight sims is available too; I don't suppose implementing a missile flight model would be more difficult than a month of work; the difficult part here will be to experimentally acquire the flight model data. Once written, everybody with a computer can get the training.

Get real. Neither can I. Whereas I can easily imagine 14-year-old mujahedin firing off Stingers out from behind the outhouse.

Which is the art they had to learn as well. So no untrained soldiers, too. The stingers have to be guided too, only the mechanism is a little bit different.

In fact, the previous Afghan wars proved that this tactic is extremely effective.

Yes, and I don't claim it isn't. I only add one more layer where the availability of Stingers could bring your version to be inferior to my version. After all, you were the one who came here with the idea of cheap guided missiles.


You misunderstand. (none / 0) (#65)
by tkatchev on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 09:01:35 AM PST
"Cheap" means "cheap to operate and train", bacause, listen up now,

all technology is inherrently cheap

I know that this will be a shock to your religion, but in reality technology is worthless. The most sophisticated computer chip, at the heart of it, is no more difficult to manufacture than a barnyard door. The only difficulty is in education of workers and in marketing.

A Stinger is a revolutionary method of warfare because anyone can operate such a missile, not because it is somehow mythically "more cheap" to manufacture. The problem is in financial backing and trustworthy labor forces, not in getting the right flip to match the right flop.


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Who? Me? (none / 0) (#68)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 10:22:53 AM PST
all technology is inherrently cheap

Looks Rs are cheap as well, as we got two for the price of one. Maybe it is just a typo. But spelling flames are so common here that I found myself unable to resist.

I know that this will be a shock to your religion, but in reality technology is worthless.

Everything is essentially worthless. Why the technology should be an exception?

The most sophisticated computer chip, at the heart of it, is no more difficult to manufacture than a barnyard door.

Interesting that a Russian says so. Maybe it tells something about the famous quality of commercial-grade Russian electronics. (The military one was pretty damn good.) If you want to prove yourself right, here you have a glass of sand, make me a microcontroller. Meanwhile I will make you a barnyard door.

The only difficulty is in education of workers and in marketing.

One of the difficulties. However, you can't sell something you can't make. (Well... you can, but don't let me start with my gripes with capitalism.)

A Stinger is a revolutionary method of warfare because anyone can operate such a missile, not because it is somehow mythically "more cheap" to manufacture.

Stinger? Revolutionary? It's manufactured and supplied by a third party, which poses potential long-term logistics problems. It's expensive (10,000s USD for a piece - if I have the prices right). To make guided missiles really revolutionary, they have to be brought to the level of do-it-yourself tech, even if crude. Or at least to the level when you can find a manufacturer next to everywhere. You can't afford to rely on a resource that is supplied by an untrusted third party.

The problem is in financial backing and trustworthy labor forces, not in getting the right flip to match the right flop.

However with cheaper technology you can lower the problem with financial backing, with simpler technology you can find more of trustworthy labor forces with sufficient abilities. With these, you can make the right flip to match the right flop.


Re: (none / 0) (#70)
by tkatchev on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 10:39:31 AM PST
Look, all technology is equally expensive to produce -- the business of selling barnyard doors is just as difficult and ricky, if not moreso, than the business of making computer chips.

Besides, I have no doubt that without very serious and in-depth training you will not be able to make a quality, competitive barnyard door. Making stuff like that is difficult, believe me.

Afghanistan could very easily produce Stinger missiles in massive quantities, but they lack two things: a) financial and marketing backing and b) a labour force that is willing to be educated and that which you can rely on to be productive.

Any technical difficulties involved therein can be solved at the drop of a hat, literally.


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Easy As Pie (none / 0) (#74)
by MessiahWWKD on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 01:19:32 PM PST
If you want to prove yourself right, here you have a glass of sand, make me a microcontroller. Meanwhile I will make you a barnyard door.


With the right tools, anybody can build a microcontroller.
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

Yes. (none / 0) (#75)
by tkatchev on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 01:35:16 PM PST
Some sort of cheap, easy-to-program PLA, for example.


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Prove it. (none / 0) (#79)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 03:55:52 PM PST
With the right tools, anybody can build a microcontroller.

Tools, and knowledge. You can have a truckload of the PLDs Tkatchev mentioned - if you don't know how to program them you can use them at most as a slingshot ammo.

Regarding the PLDs once more - the technology to make them is very close to the technology required to make the CPUs themselves. So no principial difference.

I will scale Tkatchev's side of the example down; I will make barnyard door for Tkatchev, and Tkatchev will make me any chip; an equivalent of K131LA3 (russian version of 7400) will be sufficient. I want to see how/where he will get the necessary technology. The glass of sand still stays on the table. My advantage is that I have a saw, while I don't suppose he has the doping chambers, masks, or even a mere machine for making silicon monocrystals.

Any technology that is outside of the range of your resources has no real usability for you.


Counter-request. (5.00 / 1) (#83)
by tkatchev on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 01:52:56 AM PST
No, how about we turn the question around: I'll give you an acorn, and see how long it takes you to make a barnyard door. No fair using axes, saws and hatchets, by the way, since the technology to make them is very close to the technology used to make the barnyard door in the first place, if not more advanced.


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Couple days. (none / 0) (#89)
by The Mad Scientist on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 07:31:43 AM PST
I'll give you an acorn, and see how long it takes you to make a barnyard door. No fair using axes, saws and hatchets, by the way, since the technology to make them is very close to the technology used to make the barnyard door in the first place, if not more advanced.

I originally thought the technology limits are on what is available at this very moment on where we are now. Either I misrepresented the conditions, or you are changing them on-fly.

So we stay at the level of stone age. A hassle, but not any real problem.

Let me walk around for a while and find a suitable stone that can be splinted with another stone to form an axe head.

We don't need boards; the tree trunks will have to be enough. We will take many thinner straight trunks, cut them with the stone axe to proper lengths, take the bast from them and use it for making ropes, then tie the trunks together with the ropes. Voila, crude but functional door.

Oh no, you are appearing to be losing.


This is ridiculous. (none / 0) (#90)
by tkatchev on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 09:06:58 AM PST
Look, first of all, please explain what "the current level of technology" means, because in the real world (i.e. as opposed to the smelly dungeon where the server monkeys live) the "current level of technology" depends solely on the amount of dollars in your pocket.

Besides, you are changing the conditions of the challenge; originally, you gave me a glass of sand and told me to make a microcontroller.

I, in return, set you up with a completely symmetric challenge -- gave you an acorn and told you to make a barnyard door.

Note that you cannot simply say that "I, uh, will, like, sind a tree and chop it or something and tie some sticks together and stuff". Please stick to the rules.

That level of reasoning is equivalent to me saying that "I will go down to the store and buy some sort of PLA and program it and stuff".

Besides, the strategy you outlined is completely ridiculous and would never work in the real world. Just ask any farmer.


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Peace and much love...




Farmer (none / 0) (#105)
by Right Hand Man on Mon Apr 15th, 2002 at 01:27:34 PM PST
It would be just as easy to use a large stone as a barnyard door, although it is well known that enormous effort is required to roll them aside.

The Amish make excellent barn doors. They make the entire barn well. Maybe if the Scientist was Amish things would be getting along better. Then again maybe it does not matter in this context. I admire his spirit of self reliance, but I don't think he actually knows how to do any of these things, only talk about doing them.


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Amish (none / 0) (#106)
by The Mad Scientist on Mon Apr 15th, 2002 at 05:34:44 PM PST
It would be just as easy to use a large stone as a barnyard door, although it is well known that enormous effort is required to roll them aside.

Too heavy door can be impractical. For a barnyard, where opening and closing can be quite frequent, I would strongly advice for using some more lightweight solution.

The Amish make excellent barn doors. They make the entire barn well.

Which is common for cultures where the engineering pride isn't lost yet. I have more respect for a village blacksmith that makes me something that will serve for the rest of my life and then two more generations, than for a megacorporation vomiting crap that falls apart a month after its warranty expires.

Maybe if the Scientist was Amish things would be getting along better.

Being able to deal with low-tech is one thing. Being eager to is another. I am lazy, I prefer power tools.

Then again maybe it does not matter in this context. I admire his spirit of self reliance, but I don't think he actually knows how to do any of these things, only talk about doing them.

Regarding self reliance, most of cases when my project failed were caused by a subcontractor.

I like doing things. Both hightech and lower-tech. I prefer dealing with metal (and eventually electricity), I don't have the "feeling" for wood. Writing code is nice thing to do, but other things I like are the smell of hot oil or hot solder flux, the sight of shining metal sparkles, and many many more.

For example, as a kid I built Tesla transformer, from wires and wood boards, according to drafts from some dad's magazine from early 60's - that thing was able to lit up a neon bulb on distance of up to a foot and half, without any wires, merely by its electrical field strength. Pretty nice project, I should try it again with better technology; it was rather weak as the capacitor I used in the resonator wasn't really good. As a free hint, you can't hope to drill a hole to a ball from a ball bearing; I needed metal balls for the spark gap. But there is more substories to this one, which I will tell if asked for.


 
FireWater.wrm (5.00 / 4) (#35)
by JoePain on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 12:44:37 PM PST
FireWater.wrm has been taking down apaches for years now, and it is much less expensive than RPG's. I am not sure why this is needed in Aphganistan, since HeRoIN.wrm has been working there for quite some time.

V0DKA.wrm, a deriviative of FireWater.wrm, has been on the loose in russia for some time, and has even been used to take down a few former presidents.


 
How .... (none / 0) (#34)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 12:36:53 PM PST
How comes such an imaginative work (It is very imaginative, and Yoshi does know what he is speaking about) may be so boring.

I know why. Before reading we know what is written, we already know all his clich�s, and, though imaginative, his work is no more surprising

Yawn


Wow! (5.00 / 1) (#36)
by derek3000 on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 01:25:22 PM PST
That shit was on some Japanese, post-modern, stream-of-consciousness tip d00d!
Totally trick[1]!

[1]--I'm bringing it back. I need all the help I can get.


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Apache for Windows 3.11 (none / 0) (#37)
by araym on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 01:26:20 PM PST
We all know Windows 2000 and IIS 5 runs nearly 90% of the Internet, my question is what features does Apache offer to make it anything more than a niche player? Also, is there a version of Apache I can run on our Windows 3.11 machines, I am the CTO of a medium sized company and we are reluctant to upgrade to Linux because of the cost (100 copies @ $200 each = $20000) so I'd prefer to have it run off our existing Windows 3.11 network which consists of 20 clustered Win 3.11 servers dedicated to 3 clients (we found this gave the optimum performance). The network runs at a peak 100kbps which I'm told is faster than a modem so I don't want to ruin a good thing.


Actually your wrong (none / 0) (#47)
by PotatoError on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 04:00:29 PM PST
Linux version 7 runs 85% of the internet with the IMAC a close second with 10%. A mere 5% of internet severs run Windows 95 which is shit.

A leading security firm recently issued a warning that Windows is shit and Linux is the best. So there you have the proof.
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No, you're wrong (none / 0) (#54)
by araym on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 05:11:04 PM PST
I'm not sure where you get your information but I get mine from a trusted source, it's a company called Microsoft, ever heard of them? That's right, one of the largest software corporations in the world, so they know what they are talking about.


oh you mean (2.00 / 2) (#56)
by detikon on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 06:25:14 PM PST
Microsoft, the company that only tells half the story? The same company that touts how Windows runs 90% of the world computer but doesn't tell you that's only desktop systems? Perhaps you mean how they say "Windows [insert version here] is the best selling, OS ever? What they aren't telling is that that's sales to OEMs and retailer rather than to actual customers.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

 
lol (none / 0) (#77)
by PotatoError on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 03:22:46 PM PST
you got your information about Microsoft FROM Microsoft? Ever heard of a thing called bias?
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rofl, hth, hand, jker, fuck, viwo, off, jkrt (5.00 / 1) (#86)
by venalcolony on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 02:35:59 AM PST
Ever heard of a thing called bias?

Yes, I have, and if you and your stuttering ilk cant censor your own, I'll petition The Adequacy to silence the 3rd Modemized Lunix Disinformation Horde once and for all. I'm begining to fear for my purity of thought.


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the other half of the story (none / 0) (#87)
by detikon on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 05:43:09 AM PST
Bill Gates: .NET is a great platform that a number of leading corporations are backing.

Translation -- .NET is pretty cool. It's basically the same thing Sun Microsystems has been doing with Java. If it weren't for us screwing with it and making incompatible versions it wouldn't have a bad rep of shitty web page applets. But look at the 5 companies that have signed on. Unfortunately nobody has really ever heard too much about them but there's a handful that that have expressed interest.

It's just too bad that they dropped support when they heard we want to control all their data and intellectual property (or at least have access to it so we can steal it(having a clause in our contracts for years that prevents companies from suing us doesn't hurt)). The thought that companies will have to go through us for every little thing isn't really appealing to them. And the thought of paying out the ass and having to switch their entire infrastructure to Windows (we'll be releasing tools for FreeBSD but will likely drop them later and will likely cut off Mono too) probably doesn't sound too good either.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

 
Apache can run in dos. (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 04:04:17 PM PST
Yes, it can run in windows 3.1. (you will have to restrict your file names, of course- but your used to that.)


 
uh (none / 0) (#53)
by detikon on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 04:48:39 PM PST
you're company runs its enitre network using a cluster made up of network operation system? One more thing. Moving from your parents' garage to the living room doesn't make it a medium sized company.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

 
You're a moron (none / 0) (#50)
by damon on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 04:26:57 PM PST
I'm pretty new to this site, hence I haven't read any of his previous stories, but is this guy serious? If you're so anti Apache and open source then why are you an editor on this site? This site happens to run FreeBSD (open source), MySQL (open Source), Mod_Perl (open source), & Apache (guess what; yep, open source).

Apache 2.0 has been for a long time coming with respect to its nearest competitor, Microsoft IIS 5.0.

IIS is Apache's closest competitor. But guess what, Apache (according to Netcraft) has 58.43% of the market while Microsoft has only 29.13%.

I am not an open source zealot by any shot of the imagination. As a matter of fact, I'm an NT man myself, but with the market penetration that they have, including some high profile sites, eg: yahoo and slashdot, do you really think it's as bad as you make it out to be? Have you actually ever run a web server or are you just spouting regurgitated rhetoric? Grow up. Get a life. And if you are truly this ignorant please carry yourself down to your local community college and take a class before writing any more tripe like this. At least that way you might actually know what your talking about.


Actually (5.00 / 1) (#57)
by detikon on Fri Apr 12th, 2002 at 06:30:52 PM PST
Apache's closest competitior is Zeus. You see Apache runs on anything an everything (or can be easily ported). IIS only works with Windows. iPlanet and Netscape Enterprise Edition (not to be confused with Netscape Navigator which is a browser), are expensive and a pain to configure. They also crap out when demands on the server get too high. Zeus Web Server on the other hand runs on all Unices and actually outperforms both Apache and IIS. Problem? It costs money. It's kind of pricey. However, if you combine it with a free unix (ie Linux or *BSD) you maybe able to justify the cost.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

 
If you are going to post here (5.00 / 1) (#63)
by dmg on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 08:21:01 AM PST
Please do us the courtesy of spelling things correctly. Our readership have no wish to wade through reams and reams of angry mis-spelled and ill-informed garbage.

At least that way you might actually know what your talking about.

time to give a Newtonian demonstration - of a bullet, its mass and its acceleration.
-- MC Hawking

YOU'RE a funny guy (1.00 / 1) (#66)
by detikon on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 09:28:31 AM PST
Our readership have no wish to wade through reams and reams of angry mis-spelled and ill-informed garbage.

That would actually make some sense if the adjective you selected didn't describe this entire site. You see this sight is nothing but ill-informed garbage. It's rather funny to know that the only real argument you can muster is one regarding spelling. It's perfectly fine to attack a simple error from a poster. However, reading through endless dribble about Lunix and Linux Torvatlesee, butchered acronyms and other blatant idiocies should be considered educational (?).

We all get the joke. Ok, at least most of us. We play along only for our own amusement. Certainly you should be thanking people such as myself for keeping this site alive. If it weren't for our visits and posting links to hilarious stories about how to tell if your son is a computer hacker this site would have died long ago. It's the only reason people come here. They don't believe the "we are intellectuals" working for (and running) multi-billion dollar companies, with naked typists bullshit. We simply play along. It's a nice way to pass the time.

We serve another purpose as well. Those who come here and read idiotic attempts at journalism read the rebutals as well. Hopefully then will they use their tiny little brains and figure out it's all a joke.

Want to really surprise us all? Write something intelligent! As I mentioned before, we keep this site alive. Without us and the rest of the visitors, this site would just be wasting space and editors would do nothing but whine back and forth posting anonymously pretending to be "fans" (we all know you do that too). So unless you can present a better argument than "your spelling sucks" I suggest you shut your fucking pie hole!




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

My child, (5.00 / 1) (#67)
by tkatchev on Sat Apr 13th, 2002 at 09:33:46 AM PST
you spelling does, indeed, "suck".

Also, you are quite unintelligent, ill-informed, ill-mannered, prideful, rude, uneducated, short-tempered and agressive.

Good day. I look forward to not reading your posts again.


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Peace and much love...




let me just say (none / 0) (#92)
by DG on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 12:22:15 PM PST
Pot..kettle.. tkatchev let's just say you arn't much better, though you do write more interesting things once in a while
� 2002, DG. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

Yes, but. (none / 0) (#93)
by tkatchev on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 12:46:11 PM PST
Look at who you are and who I am.

I think I made my point.


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Forgive me tkatchev.. (none / 0) (#94)
by DG on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 01:00:49 PM PST
i was bored.. kuro5hin and /. had nothing but the same crap they recycle every day.. i do find what you post rather insightful, i salute you my russian friend
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Stop it. (none / 0) (#95)
by tkatchev on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 01:22:19 PM PST
Now you're making fun of me. :)


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well.. (none / 0) (#97)
by DG on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 05:07:13 PM PST
i'm just in a good mood :) i'm going to raise a beer to adequacy.org and all it's worthy posters and editors
� 2002, DG. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

So... (none / 0) (#104)
by budlite on Mon Apr 15th, 2002 at 01:17:26 PM PST
that doesn't include Yoshi and elenchos then?


 
In all fairness (none / 0) (#82)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 01:27:30 AM PST
You should have written that the readership has no time, and you should not have hyphenated the perfectly functional word "misspelled."


in all fairness (none / 0) (#96)
by cp on Sun Apr 14th, 2002 at 02:23:50 PM PST
The distinction there is one of dialect. Both are legitimate.


 
Greetings.. (none / 0) (#98)
by DG on Mon Apr 15th, 2002 at 03:19:48 AM PST
Well let me just say. Yoshi nice story, every entertaining, problem is i could despute everthing on the post.. but whats the point, everything i'll post will be eather denied or ignored, so i just gave up trying to keep the facts correct it seems nice and pointless, thank you for never posting anything that could be counted as proof. you made me feel like sisyphus trying to roll the bloody rock up the hill, not much on debate though
� 2002, DG. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

How convenient (5.00 / 1) (#99)
by Yoshi on Mon Apr 15th, 2002 at 04:10:03 AM PST
I'm glad my article exposing the truths behind the Apache 2.0 has finally silenced you ardent Lunix hackers who can't deny my irrefutable proof. It's too bad, too, you could have made up data and statistics like you people always do, with your NetScape NetCraft and whatnot.


Wait a sec (none / 0) (#101)
by detikon on Mon Apr 15th, 2002 at 11:26:27 AM PST
You obviously skipped a couple lines when you were reading the parent post. I'll sum it up for you.

You fail to expose or prove anything. Anyone providing solid proof to discredit your dribble will be met with childish name calling or attacks on spelling and grammar. Let's not forget your fear of visiting links.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

You are correct (none / 0) (#109)
by DG on Tue Apr 16th, 2002 at 02:22:18 PM PST
when you prove nothing, present made up bullshit and don't let others prove the truth, you show how much you have your head up your ass.. Like Yoshi does
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Proof? (none / 0) (#110)
by DG on Tue Apr 16th, 2002 at 02:31:56 PM PST
What Proof, you have never proven anything ever, everything you post is made up or propaganda presented by microsoft or some other company thats out to make you pay through the nose. Go look up things before you post, it makes you look stupid when others can prove you know nothing it's sad when you ignore it

i don't run linux i run *BSD i like a most robust system, so really you can't taunt me with that, it makes you sound like a five year old
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0h c0me on! (none / 0) (#100)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Apr 15th, 2002 at 11:03:36 AM PST
i dont see what everybody is getting so upset about! is it really all that difficult to see that this entire site is total satire of a real news site. there is no way somebody could really be THAT misinformed... it was written to make sensible people upset and generally pissed off... worked, didn't it... and you keep coming back, don't you... yeah, i thought so... thats just waht they want, so they can make more money from advertising....


 
When will they learn? (none / 0) (#107)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Apr 16th, 2002 at 12:09:00 AM PST
When will the people who write at Adequacy learn that it is spelled LINUX, NOT LUNIX. For fuck's sake!


Po-ta-to, po-tah-to. (5.00 / 1) (#108)
by Uncanny Vortex on Tue Apr 16th, 2002 at 12:21:59 PM PST
it is spelled LINUX, NOT LUNIX. For fuck's sake

Obviously you're getting caught up here in minor issues like spelling. I say the spelling is beside the point; spell it how you will, my well-educated friend. The real issue here is about a subversive operating system that has been given a lot more press than it should have had.

Mr. Ballmer said it best when he said,

"Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches."

He spells it the same way you do, so maybe you will like that better. Like it freakin' matters anyway. Why don't you tell us what L.I.N.U.X. stands for, genius-boy?

-- Uncanny Vortex


spelling or stupidity? (none / 0) (#111)
by detikon on Tue Apr 16th, 2002 at 04:30:05 PM PST
Obviously you're getting caught up here in minor issues like spelling. I say the spelling is beside the point; spell it how you will, my well-educated friend. The real issue here is about a subversive operating system that has been given a lot more press than it should have had.

That would be a good argument of linux and LUnix weren't two completely different enitities. Linux is a kernel created by Linus Torvalds as a hobby. LUnix is a Unix-lite OS for 8bit computers.

Mr. Ballmer said it best when he said,

"Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches."


Now you are misquoting. He said that about the GPL. Notice though how MS has changed it tune so many times. Big deal --> We're not worried --> GPL is a cancer --> Linux isn't really a competitior --> We don't see a future for Linux on the desktop (what about servers) --> roll out the troops to investigate why our clients use non-MS OSes --> ???

Why don't you tell us what L.I.N.U.X. stands for, genius-boy?

Surely...if it actually were an acronym. It's Linux not L.I.N.U.X. Thinking it's an acronym is almost as silly as when the editors use the LINX ticker symbol to show the market success of Linux based companies. Hello! LINX is the ticker symbol for London INternet EXchange.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

Shut up, NAWL [n/t] (none / 0) (#112)
by jvance on Tue Apr 16th, 2002 at 10:11:28 PM PST

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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

Nerve touched? (nt) (none / 0) (#113)
by The Mad Scientist on Tue Apr 16th, 2002 at 10:36:42 PM PST



Yes. (5.00 / 1) (#114)
by tkatchev on Tue Apr 16th, 2002 at 11:04:24 PM PST
It is truly painful to watch. (or read, whatever)


--
Peace and much love...




Wait a minute... (none / 0) (#117)
by DeepOmega on Sat Apr 20th, 2002 at 04:20:38 PM PST
I take it, then, that you're siding with Uncanny Vortex on this one? Last time I checked, you viewed misspellings as cause for flaming. Why the switch in attitude?

Peace and much love...


Uh no. (none / 0) (#118)
by tkatchev on Sun Apr 21st, 2002 at 01:30:26 AM PST
Actually, I'm not siding with anyone -- I'm simply stating the fact that the moral degradation of haxors is truly sickening to watch.


--
Peace and much love...




 
Don't you know anything! (none / 0) (#119)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Apr 21st, 2002 at 02:35:27 AM PST
First of all, Intel is not the "god" processor that you people make it out to be. AMD is NOT an inferior Asian company like you make it out to be. AMD means Advanced Micro Devices, and they are based in Sunnyvale, California. They make excellent processors, and they have always been very competitive with Intel's.

Secondly, Microsoft is not a god either. It's opperating systems have always been plagued with security bugs and stabily problems. Linux is one of the most secure and stable operating systems around, second to Unix. Also, Linux is not a "hacker's" operating system. It is completely legal and ethical. It is a Windows alternative.

Third,its Open SOURCE, not Open Sores! Open Source means that the code for the program is free, and anyone can have it, and anyone can modify it. It also means that the end users of the programs have the same rights to it as the program's inventor.

I could go on and on, correcting the errors I have found on this site, but I don't feel like wasting my life trying to educate a bunch of sheep. If anyone wants to contact me to find out the TRUTH, they are free to do so at ara99999@hotmail.com .


 
GPL is warez made legal ! (none / 0) (#120)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Apr 23rd, 2002 at 01:45:40 PM PST
Beware of anything labelled 'GPL'.
Genuine Pirated L33Tware is communism.


Does it matter? (none / 0) (#121)
by The Mad Scientist on Tue Apr 23rd, 2002 at 03:54:33 PM PST
Genuine Pirated L33Tware is communism.

Is communism really as bad idea (except if botched)?

Personally, I prefer the level of control that GPL (and any other open-source approach) gives me, over any closed-source model. Then I at least can be sure that when the vendor will bite the dust I will not taste it with them.


News for adults (none / 0) (#122)
by walwyn on Tue Apr 23rd, 2002 at 05:23:38 PM PST
Then I at least can be sure that when the vendor will bite the dust I will not taste it with them.

Psst don't tell anyone - when a software company goes bust the software doesn't stop working.


News for experienced adults (none / 0) (#123)
by The Mad Scientist on Tue Apr 23rd, 2002 at 05:56:30 PM PST
Psst don't tell anyone - when a software company goes bust the software doesn't stop working.

What about support? What about troubleshooting? What about adding of required features? What about licencing of additional installations (a gray area and if the lawyers would get involved and they'd be anal enough there could be problems)? Your claim can apply to a game, but I would hesitate if we'd talk about a corporate-grade system.


What about it (none / 0) (#124)
by walwyn on Wed Apr 24th, 2002 at 03:13:02 AM PST
What about support? What about troubleshooting?

You pay for support if the software company is not there you don't pay for support.

What about adding of required features?

You buy software for what it does today not for what it promises to do next year.

Your claim can apply to a game, but I would hesitate if we'd talk about a corporate-grade system.

There are OSS corporate-grade systems - what like SAP? What are they called, where can you download them from?


 
quite sick of your crap (none / 0) (#127)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed May 1st, 2002 at 07:33:29 PM PST
you know yoshi, you should go into the business of cutdowns, obviously you know how to piss someone off in 2 seconds flat. Take a deep hard look at what you run, then take a look at other things, open your mind, and come out from the closed doors of what billy boy gates has put you in. poor soul....


 

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