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Major Linux Bug Discovered... 16 Months Later

Author:

Yoshi

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Jan 21, 2002

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Yes, that's right, y e t a n o t h e r Linux bug was discovered the other day. So, right about now, if you're a clear headed Capitalist, you're probably thinking "Who cares? They find a new bug in Linux daily." Well, you're right. But there's more to the story. Apparently Alan Cocks (a Red Menace Commie who censors documents under the cloak of the DMCA) is trying to pass the blame on another co-conspirator of Communism.

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Apparently, if you'd believe the Linux community, you'd be hard-pressed upon where to place the blame. You see, the Linuxist Manifesto's number one rule is to lie to protect the best interests of Linux. No self-respectable Linux zealot would insult or place blame upon AMD, because AMD's philosophy centers around tackling American Corporations with their Asian sweatshops, selling their chips at bargain-basement prices like the Red Menace Commies do with their Wal-Mart shit.

So, right about now, you're probably thinking that the zealots are clearly in a dilemma. Who are they going to blame? If you have a prediction before I tell you, the poll is on the right. Or maybe the left. Either way, take your pick.

You'd think that the parasitic community would place blame upon Microsoft, right? Alas, Microsoft has had the bug patched since September 2000. Not only that, Windows XP, the latest in the suite of high-powered, stable operating systems from Microsoft Corp., has this patch built in. That's right, built in. Keep in mind that Windows XP was released in October 2001, over three months ago. Meanwhile, no one knows what the hell Alan Cocks has been doing since then, since he hides under the cloak of secrecy. nVidia has been informing users via tech support, even to the Linux community, how to fix the problem for months now. Clearly the blame is upon Alan Cocks's shoulder, but to place the blame where it is rightfully justified is inexcusable in the Linux community. The drones are in disarray.

The actual bug occurs when Linux users contract the Tux Racer virus via KEmail. When first run, Tux Racer enables a feature in your third-world sweatshop AMD processor called "extended paging." Now, I know you're probably thinking that this sounds like some sort of Nokia feature. Well, you're wrong. It's yet another feature that AMD illegally hacked from Intel. It allows your browser to seamlessly view pages up to 4Mb in size. Before its introduction in the early days of the Intel Pentium processor, web pages were broken up into 4K segments, because any pages larger would freeze the computer. That's why Microsoft didn't invent Javascript until after the Pentium, every time they went to use it, their pages exceeded 4K, and henceforth froze the computer. Intel came to the rescue with the Pentium line of chips, and, as usual, AMD got out their super high tech Asian hacking tools and "reverse-engineered" (code-name for 'illegally hacked') Intel's technology. Thus, users of the inferior AMD Cyrix Kx86-2 Now! processor could also view large web pages without crashing. So why did no one notice that pages larger than 4K would crash AMD processors? Well, Microsoft has had a fix for 16 months, like we mentioned earlier. But why did no one from the Linux community notice? Well, apparently, there does not exist a page devoted to Linux that is more than 4K in size. Since most of the Linux installations out there denounce color as 'feature bloat,' all Linux pages follow an unwritten oath to suck. Believe me, they all do.

So, for the good of Linux, you may now disperse. Head off to various tech sites and continue blaming Microsoft for not telling you sooner. Your community will thank you.

	Not to destroy your entire argument, but... (none / 0) (#1)
	by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 11:34:21 AM PST

	This "bug" you speak of is actually the shoddy workmanship of unAmerican Intel-CPU clones. So I doubt that any patriotic Linux users would have noticed. Still, it's fixed now. That's what's important, right? By the way, I can't help but notice you get all your news stories from the other other site. Couldn't you diversify your news gathering operation to better sites?

	News (5.00 / 1) (#2)
	by Yoshi on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 01:02:18 PM PST

	Patriotic Linux users is an oxymoron. Patriotic would be indicative of supporting our Capitalistic and Democratic society. Clearly, the free enterprise-hating Communists in the Linux crowd show no love for America, which is why they flock to the Asian Manufacturing Devices (AMD) line of computer processors. As for news, Adequacy isn't a news site, it's a discussion site. Kuro5hin isn't a news site, it's an underground liberal community spreading their lies and misinformation meant to derail the American government with their inane socialistic viewpoints. That leaves a very little selection for actual news, so amongst that hellhole, there are also real world news sites as well.

	Views (none / 0) (#3)
	by because it isnt on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 06:38:59 PM PST

	Patriotic Linux users is an oxymoron. <RB> I beg to differ. Linux users are not only patriotic, some go the extra mile. Patriotic would be indicative of supporting our Capitalistic and Democratic society. Well, it's difficult to support a capitalistic society because that would mean supporting a bunch of hoarders. Perhaps you mean a captalist economy� Furthermore, as I didn't see you in the house or the senate today, I'd humbly suggest your society was a representative democracy, not a pure democracy. Adequacy isn't a news site, it's a discussion site. I hear you. So, basically, these are your opinions on the news of Microsoft's conspiracy with the unpatriotic AMD to defraud the honest consumer by "covering up" hardware flaws. adequacy.org -- because it isn't

	GNU Drone (none / 0) (#4)
	by Yoshi on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 07:29:51 PM PST

	I beg to differ. Linux users are not only patriotic, some go the extra mile. So, you've provided me with two "links" to two articles, the first written by Richard Stallman, a self-admitted Communist. Now, what is more unamerican than being a Communist? It goes against the very fibers of free, Democratic society. Linux users are some of the most vitriolic members of the Hate America First crowd. The second article is even more laughable in the author's confusion with the founding principles of America. "What was the cornerstone to the "American Dream"? It was equality---everyone had the same chance in our society..." "I quickly discovered though, that in many cases, not all the players in the field of computer software were equal. By the time I entered the field, large companies like Microsoft tended to control much of the technology." Emphasis added. Apparently, this pea-brained author cannot distinguish between opportunities and corporation. Individual equality has no relevance to the world of finance, something that few Linux zealots have any grasp of. Every corporation is not equal, and some have more power than others. How do they get power? Income. Successful products. Successful services. Just because you're entering the world of Computer Sales doesn't mean you will have the same opportunities and potential as a major billion dollar entity. To say anything else is, to put it simply, going against the Capitalism that America was founded upon. Well, it's difficult to support a capitalistic society because that would mean supporting a bunch of hoarders. Perhaps you mean a captalist economy No, it's definitely not. I live my life through the simplistic model of Capitalism - hard work pays off. It's more than an economic system, it's a social system as well. The very basis of Communism uproots the motto of Capitalism - that hard work is rewarded. You see, in Communism, "Bradley Kuhn"'s expectation of an equal footing in the world would be correct. Redistribution of wealth isn't something we do here in America. Furthermore, as I didn't see you in the house or the senate today, I'd humbly suggest your society was a representative democracy, not a pure democracy. If you'd like to nitpick, I'm going to suggest to the editors that you're nothing more than a troll. If you're going to be one of the mindless nazis who go around claiming that the usage of a term was wrong, much like the "Hacker/Cracker" trolls you hear at other sites, then I'm just going to ignore your posts. I included no adjective whatsoever in my original mention of Democracy, thus, you are purposefully making something out of nothing when you claimed I was wrong for inherrently implying a pure democracy, quite indicative of your lack of arguments on the more on-topic issues to this diary entry. I hear you. So, basically, these are your opinions on the news of Microsoft's conspiracy with the unpatriotic AMD to defraud the honest consumer by "covering up" hardware flaws. Clearly you are unfamiliar with very rudimentary English vocabulary, or are a tad deficient in that area. You see, discussion is not synonomous with opinion. We can have a hearty debate based upon a factual news item, which is what we have here. Opinion comes when you choose where to place your blame: AMD; for their Asian sweatshop-produced processors which experienced a bug fixed by major OSes over 16 months ago, or Alan Cocks; the Linux czar whose terrorist reign over the Linux codes disillusioned him from implementing an obvious fix over the span of 1.3 years.

	Patriots use Linux (none / 0) (#8)
	by because it isnt on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 09:03:42 PM PST

	I live my life through the simplistic model of Capitalism - hard work pays off. Indeed, and we can see (thanks to your fabulous supply of fixed security issues) that all the hard work that goes into Linux pays off handsomely. Linux repair men are like American soldiers, acting patriotically to make America a better nation, by ridding the world of tyranny and securing the hard-won freedom of decent Americans. We can have a hearty debate based upon a factual news item, which is what we have here. We certainly can. We should start by discussing the collusion between Red Microsoft and AMD to defraud their innocent investors. Why else would Microsoft feel the need to disguise the obvious deficiencies in AMD's processors? Thank goodness for the patriotic Alan Coccyx blowing the whistle on this menacing deceit. processors which experienced a bug fixed by major OSes Wow! Now that's what innovation! OSes that fix bugs! I'll buy ten! To think that all these years I've been employing programmers to fix bugs. Please tell me more about this sentient self-aware operating system. adequacy.org -- because it isn't

	UHHHHH, WHAT!!!!!!???!!!! (none / 0) (#5)
	by NAWL on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 08:08:18 PM PST

	The actual bug occurs when Linux users contract the Tux Racer virus via KEmail. Tux Racer is a virus now huh? When first run, Tux Racer enables a feature in your third-world sweatshop AMD processor called "extended paging. So California is a 3rd world country? You do know that AMD is located not that far from Intel, don't you? AMD got out their super high tech Asian hacking tools and "reverse-engineered" (code-name for 'illegally hacked') Intel's technology. Blah blah blah more stupid crap... Gee that didn't seem to stop Microsoft when they co-opted with AMD to develop the AthlonXP. That's why Microsoft didn't invent Javascript until after the Pentium WHAT!?! Thus, users of the inferior AMD Cyrix Kx86-2 Now! processor... And all this time the entire world thought that AMD and Cyrix were two different companies! And you guys expect the rest of the web to take you all seriously? I guess we will continue to laugh you and the entire adequacy.org loyalists since you have no real understanding of any damn thing. Anybody else wanna pick apart this pile of crap? Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	umm (none / 0) (#6)
	by PotatoError on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 08:23:24 PM PST

	"Anybody else wanna pick apart this pile of crap?" Its late, im drunk. I might make some sort of argument asking what this apparent link is between linux and communism but I cant be bothered. Im off to bed. <<JUMP! POGO POGO POGO BOUNCE! POGO POGO POGO>>

	You're spreading more FUD (none / 0) (#7)
	by Yoshi on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 08:51:34 PM PST

	Tux Racer is a virus now huh? Don't act so surprised. You've known since the very first incarnation of the virus, back when there were little snow elves throwing snowballs at each other. The virus may have evolved into "3-D," just like other viruses are evolving into other realms of "code-morphing." It's just the evolution of computer viruses. So California is a 3rd world country? Hell, the president of Intel said so himself. In February, Intel President Craig Barrett told the Wall Street Journal: "As long as California is a Third World country, we won't build $2 billion manufacturing plants here." You do know that AMD is located not that far from Intel, don't you? One of their spying affiliates, I'm sure. How else would you expect them to "reverse engineer" all of their secret information from Intel chips? Gee that didn't seem to stop Microsoft when they co-opted with AMD to develop the AthlonXP. Now you're just making up bullshit. It's clearly documented that the relationship was merely coincidental, as AMD's slogan means "eXtreme Performance" (from all of the technology they stole from Intel), where as Microsoft's means eXPerience. At no way did these two companies, at opposite ends of the spectrum, ever commence. And all this time the entire world thought that AMD and Cyrix were two different companies! Just you. They're both Asian companies producing second rate processors based on technology they stole from American companies employing American employees to do American research. It figures that the anti-American Linux crowd would miss this.

	contradiction and stupidity (none / 0) (#9)
	by NAWL on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 10:38:57 PM PST

	The virus may have evolved into "3-D," just like other viruses are evolving into other realms of "code-morphing." It's just the evolution of computer viruses Dear god. A 3D virus. I would love to see that. Next you'll be claiming that Doom, Quake, and Wolfenstein are all 3D viruses too. And do you even no what code morphing is? Transmeta's Crusoe processor uses code morphing. An x86-based CPU chip from Transmeta that is designed for Internet appliances and other handheld devices that require batteries. It consumes significantly less power than mobile x86 chips from Intel, AMD and others because it places more of the processing burden on the software. Designed to run Windows and Linux applications, Crusoe uses a software translation layer known as "Code Morphing" that turns x86 instructions into Crusoe instructions. This translation layer allows the chip to be used for other instruction sets as well. One of their spying affiliates, I'm sure. How else would you expect them to "reverse engineer" all of their secret information from Intel chips? No their headquarters are located Sunnyvale California and Intel is located in Santa Clara California. And if you wanna talk about reverse engineering let's talk about Intel. You could claim that when Goordon Moore and Rober Noyce left Faichild Semiconductor they took many ideas with them when they founded Intel. People don't seem to remember that Intel and AMD were founded in almost the same year. Next you'll be claiming that Zilog processors and Motorola microprocessors were reverse engineered Intel processors. Oh wait. Both companies were around before Intel. Now you're just making up bullshit. It's clearly documented that the relationship was merely coincidental... Oh really. I'm sitting here looking at an ad in PC Magazine for the AMD AthlonXP Microsoft utilized AMD processors during the design, development and testing of Windows XP. Our engineers worked in close collaboration with Microsoft to ensure that with the Athlon XP processor you'll take full advantage of Windows XP. And we're proud to display the "Designed for Windows XP" logo. Oh look! Here's some information from Microsoft! Just you. They're both Asian companies producing second rate processors based on technology they stole from American companies employing American employees to do American research. It figures that the anti-American Linux crowd would miss this Wait! Now you claim they are companies? Before you were talking about the AMD Cyrix processor. Contradicting yourself there aren't you? Oh and what was the last thing Cyrix produced? Oh that's right they flopped on their ass years ago becuase of AMD and Intel. You and the other morons who like to make stuff up and talk about pretend technology and claim it was invented by a company that had nothing to do with it is bullshit. It's funny how 99.9999999999999999999999% of the web and anyone with half a brain looks at you like you're all idiots that don't know a processor from your ass and you want me to believe you guys? I went to school for this shit. Give me a break. One more thing. Sun Microsystems equals Java. Microsoft equals Visual Basic. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	More repititious statements from NAWL (none / 0) (#10)
	by Yoshi on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 03:49:41 AM PST

	Dear god. A 3D virus. I would love to see that. Well, download it onto your Linux computer then. If you've got KEmail, get one of your friends to transmit it to you, it's a pretty widespread virus. Transmeta's Crusoe processor uses code morphing. Oh don't even get me started on Transmeta's Crusoe processor. Talk about making AMD look like the Red Cross or the United Way. You could claim that when Goordon Moore and Rober Noyce left Faichild Semiconductor they took many ideas with them when they founded Intel. Really? That's funny, I can't seem to purchase a Fairchild Semiconductor x86 processor. This leads me to believe that Intel managed to at least come up with their own design. People don't seem to remember that Intel and AMD were founded in almost the same year. That's absurd. Intel was founded in 1968 and AMD was founded in 1994 from employee and design remnants of the old Cyrix corporation. *Microsoft utilized AMD processors* during the design, development and testing of Windows XP. AMD Processors. Not the Athlon XP. Nowhere does it mention that they worked together to dual-market their products. Our engineers worked in close collaboration with Microsoft to ensure that with the Athlon XP processor you'll take full advantage of Windows XP. And you think they didn't do the same with Intel? Obviously their first priority would be to work with the company that invented the technology first, and then aid the corporation who redistributes that hacked technology (AMD). And we're proud to display the "Designed for Windows XP" logo.** Please, do tell me what this logo says. Clearly, you haven't got a clue if you think Microsoft's work was solely with AMD. Microsoft wouldn't be foolish enough to do that, Intel is the major player in the chip market that sets standards other companies go by (what's this "Performance Rating"? Oh yeah, more Intel conformity). From this page: At the same time, Windows XP was specifically coded to provide built-in software support for the Pentium 4 processor. Wait! Now you claim they are companies? Before you were talking about the AMD Cyrix processor. Like I said before, AMD was founded upon the backs of beheaded Cyrix. When Cyrix went under in 1994, all of the execs took the design plans and fled overseas, incorporating their own company based upon sweatshop labor to maintain high profits. Oh that's right they flopped on their ass years ago becuase of AMD and Intel. No, they flopped because of Intel. Their ripoff designs couldn't compete and make a profit compared to the same market chips from Intel. Cyrix's second incarnation, AMD, on the other hand, was able to make a hefty profit by paying their workers 25 cents/hour wages in east Asian countries. You and the other morons who like to make stuff up and talk about pretend technology and claim it was invented by a company that had nothing to do with it is bullshit. Give me one example. I dare you. Come on. I went to school for this shit. Really? Where's your PhD? Sun Microsystems equals Java. Microsoft equals Visual Basic. What does that have to do with anything? No one mentioned Java. Perhaps you are confusing it with JavaScript, invented by Microsoft in 1995 when the Pentium processors started gaining widespread acceptance.

	dumbass (none / 0) (#17)
	by NAWL on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 03:39:38 PM PST

	That's absurd. Intel was founded in 1968 and AMD was founded in 1994 from employee and design remnants of the old Cyrix corporation. Intel was founded in late 1968. AMD was founded in early 1969. They have been around for more than 30 years. Do some quality research. AMD Processors. Not the Athlon XP. Nowhere does it mention that they worked together to dual-market their products. The end result of the collaboration was the AthlonXP. And you think they didn't do the same with Intel? Obviously their first priority would be to work with the company that invented the technology first, and then aid the corporation who redistributes that hacked technology (AMD). Did I say AMD and AMD only? Think before you post. Cyrix's second incarnation, AMD, on the other hand, was able to make a hefty profit by paying their workers 25 cents/hour wages in east Asian countries. So all those AMD processors that were around long before Cyrix took an nosedive were just what, imaginary. Give me one example. I dare you. Come on. IP Tokens? MS inventing token ring? V-Chips that read a modems ROM (which would mean they are reading the same thing over and over again) to see if you are being hacked? Really? Where's your PhD? Not every education has the end result of a PhD. Where's Bill Gates' beloved PhD? Oh that's right. He dropped out of school to do a startup called Microsoft (it's in his bio go check). As many have pointed out, there's nothing on Cortez anywhere and he has failed to provide ANY solid proof. Oh I have 4 PhDs too. Just because you can't find anything on the Internet about any of the suppose glorious contibutions I've made doesn't mean I don't have them. No one mentioned Java. Perhaps you are confusing it with JavaScript, invented by Microsoft in 1995 when the Pentium processors started gaining widespread acceptance. I think you are confusing JavaScript with VBScript. Remember what I posted before Sun Microsystems equals Java (get it JAVAScript). Microsoft equals VisualBasic (get it now VBScript). You produce nothing more than dumbshit arguments that can't be backed up for shit. History and experts say one thing. You say another with no one too back you up but a bunch of other dimwits. One ounce of solid proof from multiple sources (minus personal websites you've thrown together) and MAYBE I consider believing you. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Troll (none / 0) (#23)
	by Yoshi on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 05:21:41 PM PST

	Intel was founded in late 1968. AMD was founded in early 1969. Absolutely untrue. I have already emailed an editor here at Adequacy requesting that your trolling efforts be ceased and that they delete this post full of misinformation. The end result of the collaboration was the AthlonXP. Then where's the PentiumXP? Oh yeah, AMD didn't do it either. Dumbass. Did I say AMD and AMD only? Think before you post. Clearly your deficiency lies in the ability to construct sentences that properly construe meaning representative to what you are thinking. Being that it's one of your first tries, I'll let it slide. So all those AMD processors that were around long before Cyrix took an nosedive were just what, imaginary. I have never seen them, and I consider myself to be an expert in the field. So, imagining them you must be. IP Tokens? MS inventing token ring? V-Chips that read a modems ROM (which would mean they are reading the same thing over and over again) to see if you are being hacked? Yeah, yeah? Do you have any examples of falsities, though? Just because you can't find anything on the Internet about any of the suppose glorious contibutions I've made doesn't mean I don't have them. This parent post wouldn't lead me to give that thought any credence anyhow. I think you are confusing JavaScript with VBScript. Remember what I posted before Sun Microsystems equals Java (get it JAVAScript). Microsoft equals VisualBasic (get it now VBScript). There are so many things wrong with this statement, I don't know where to start. First of all, Java is completely different than JavaScript. Java is a set of software morphing tools which allow a user to run certain programs on many different operating systems by reinterpiling the objective code. This has since been depricated in favor of new technologies such as C#. JavaScript, on the other hand, was invented by Microsoft after the Pentium to allow users to make web pages that ask you for your username in a little inputbox before the page loads. This proved very successful for Microsoft, as their entire web site was thus modeled after these technological revelations. VBScript is another invention by Microsoft to bring their powerful suite of Visual Basic for Applications languages to another application platform, allowing a user to write code once and run anywhere, be it in Windows Scripting Host, IE, Excel, Word, or Visual Basic itself. One ounce of solid proof from multiple sources (minus personal websites you've thrown together) and MAYBE I consider believing you. Your belief means nothing to me. You linux zealots are all alike, you would deny truth if it were staring you right into the eyes. I do not mind at all if you don't take my posts at face value for the insight and information they provide.

	oh please (none / 0) (#29)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 06:46:25 PM PST

	I have never seen them, and I consider myself to be an expert in the field. So, imagining them you must be. Oh well then please, provide us with reference material that we may learn of the truth. You might want to leave out the following: 1. Java was created by Sun Microsystems. Using the features and structures of Java Netscape created JavaScript. Since this Sun Microsystems is given credit many times for the creation of JavaScript. However, it was actually developed independently. Javascript can interact with HTML source code, enabling Web authors to spice up their sites with dynamic content. JavaScript is endorsed by a number of software companies and is an open language that anyone can use without purchasing a license. It is supported by recent browsers from Netscape and Microsoft, though Internet Explorer supports only a subset, which Microsoft calls Jscript VBScript, short for Visual Basic Scripting Edition, a scripting language developed by Microsoft and supported by Microsoft's Internet Explorer Web browser. VBScript is based on the Visual Basic programming language, but is much simpler. In many ways, it is similar to JavaScript. It enables Web authors to include interactive controls, such as buttons and scrollbars, on their Web pages. 2. Token Ring was developed at IBM. It is a type of computer network in which all the computers are arranged (schematically) in a circle. A token , which is a special bit pattern, travels around the circle. To send a message, a computer catches the token, attaches a message to it, and then lets it continue to travel around the network. When capitalized, Token Ring refers to the PC network architecture developed by IBM. The IBM Token-Ring specification has been standardized by the IEEE as the IEEE 802.5 standard. 3. Token passing (not to be confuse with IP passing or whatever) is a type of CAM. Token passing uses a token, or series of bits, to grant a device permission to transmit over the token ring network. Whichever device has the token can put data into the network. When its transmission is complete, the device passes the token along to the next device in the topology (the ring). System rules in the protocol specifications mandate how long a device may keep the token, how long it can transmit for and how to generate a new token if there isn't one circulating. 4. Taken from one of NAWL's posts: History of the V-Chip U.S. Patent number 5,828,402 has been issued to Tri-Vision Director and v-chip pioneer Tim Collings, protecting the unique, flexible V-gis v-chip technology. Tim Collings' v-chip Patent specifies technology capable of adapting to multiple and changing television ratings systems. The Patent and Trademark Office of the United States Department of Commerce Web Site (http://www.uspto.gov) lists the Patent as follows: United States Patent: 5,828,402 Collings: October 27, 1998 Method and apparatus for selectively blocking audio and video signals. I have never heard of someone who seems to know nothing consider themself an expert. Now, are you willing to step up and provide anything to back up your claims? Or are you just planning on throwing around tech jargon that doesn't make any sense? "We've got to patch the token ring into the ethernet switch in order to enhance the collision rate on the bitmap decoder algorithm!"

	>4K Linux web pages!? (none / 0) (#11)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 01:28:36 PM PST

	Running a Slackware disto using a 2.4 kernel (web server no need to upgrade if it works and hasn't gone down for 7 months (current count is 7 months, 22 days, 3 hours 51 min 13.445 sec according to 'uptime') I have visited Slashdot.com (you know those guys after all you registered slashdotsucks.com which is how I found you) a LINUX news site and then Freshmeat.net a LINUX software site. Both have pages in the +100K range. Now this kernel predates the Current AMD patch, and it is running on a AMD Duron 1.2 Ghz with PC133 RAM now I use extended paging because I run a SQL server on it as well and need the large address space (frequent paging to the RAM slows select statements with large numbers of fields) now using Mozilla (PR10 I think) Lynx (text only for none Linux users), Netscape Communicator (4.71 came with the distro) and finally Konqure(sp?) KDE's web browser I have found no problems at ALL. Do you even use Linux? You might want to research a bit. Also there is no need to patch the kernel, you only need to pass `mem=nopentium' to the kernel at boot up which would indicate to me at least that the problem isn't with the kernel but with poorly configured kernels (starting to look like ignorant users now isn't it) Alan Cox has stated that he will add auto detection code to the kernel so stupid users won't be able to make the mistake anymore (sounds like dummy proofing, something Microsoft is very good at)

	*cough* (none / 0) (#13)
	by Yoshi on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 02:38:13 PM PST

	Well, first of all, I'm going to ask you to please kindly select "Plain Text" and hit Enter a few times when composing your post. Second of all, I swear to god, Word crashed when I tried to pass your post through the grammar checker. It's absolutely incoherent, perhaps you could work on that instead of lubing up your greasy Linux skills that won't get you anywhere in life. Both have pages in the +100K range. Now this kernel predates the Current AMD patch, and it is running on a AMD Duron 1.2 Ghz with PC133 RAM now I use extended paging because I run a SQL server on it as well and need the large address space (frequent paging to the RAM slows select statements with large numbers of fields) now using Mozilla (PR10 I think) Lynx (text only for none Linux users), Netscape Communicator (4.71 came with the distro) and finally Konqure(sp?) KDE's web browser I have found no problems at ALL. That, right there, is two sentences. I'm going to try to pick this apart word for word. First of all, the size isn't greater than 100K. It is a multitude of pages of less than 4K in size assembled to create one large page to get around the AMD bug (hence, the derived Assembled Site Pages, or .asp extension, attached to most modern web pages). Do you even use Linux? Of course not. I stick to the legal side of computing. By using Linux, I'd only be letting the terrorists win. Also there is no need to patch the kernel, you only need to pass `mem=nopentium' to the kernel at boot up which would indicate to me at least that the problem isn't with the kernel but with poorly configured kernels (starting to look like ignorant users now isn't it) Alan Cox has stated that he will add auto detection code to the kernel so stupid users won't be able to make the mistake anymore (sounds like dummy proofing, something Microsoft is very good at) I tried, for a good two minutes, to search for some idea-terminating expression in the previous sentence (in the form of a period, comma, anything). Anyway, if you think that requiring users to type in "mem=nopentium" at the LINUX DOS prompt you get when you turn on your computer is absurd. I am very proud of Microsoft making that kind of thing user friendly.

	"I'd only be letting the terrorists win." (none / 0) (#18)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 03:51:46 PM PST

	Some questions if you have the time. 1) According to Microsoft, ASP stands for Active Server Pages, is this a lie? 2) According to Mozilla.org JavaScript was invented by Netscape (http://www.mozilla.org/js/) are they lying? 3) Why will using Linux help the terrorists win? 4) Besides your post where on the Internet is there even one article (and you can search AMD's site if your confused where to start looking) is there any mention about a 4K per Web page limit? 5) Is the lack of an answer to question 4 the result of a massive media cover up? Finally and perhaps most importantly 6) How old are you?

	Just to help out a fellow confused user... (none / 0) (#21)
	by Yoshi on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 05:09:17 PM PST

	1) According to Microsoft, ASP stands for Active Server Pages, is this a lie? Clearly you have mixed up your technologies. 2) According to Mozilla.org JavaScript was invented by Netscape (http://www.mozilla.org/js/) are they lying? Yes. Would you trust such a Communist entity? I suppose you believe the Chinese in regards to the Tiananmen Square incident, right? 3) Why will using Linux help the terrorists win? Quite simple. Breaking the US code of laws by using Linux depletes FBI and police resources from where they should be, on terrorism. Because they have to look out for Linux thieves, they cannot focus their full attention on the Arabs, and they have already won. 4) Besides your post where on the Internet is there even one article (and you can search AMD's site if your confused where to start looking) is there any mention about a 4K per Web page limit? Why would AMD mention it? It's a problem with their Asian processor! If they mention it on their website, that translates to lost sales. Where are they going to raise the money to pay their employees 50 cents per hour? 5) Is the lack of an answer to question 4 the result of a massive media cover up? Most certainly not. I already explained why. 6) How old are you? Pardon me, Sir, I take offense to that. Do ideas, opinions and fact somehow depricate with time? Just the fact that you'd ask me is incredibly insulting, and probably proves that you're doing nothing more than trolling. I urge you to take your efforts elsewhere, as this is definitely not the site to concentrate on.

	FBI.Gov secretly run by liberal commies! (none / 0) (#25)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 05:23:44 PM PST

	The site www.fbi.gov is running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 SP3 on Linux. This is a direct quote from uptime.netcraft.com. heres a quick link to save on typing. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.fbi.gov&submit=Examine

	Yeah right. (none / 0) (#28)
	by Yoshi on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 05:50:14 PM PST

	Yeah, a website powered by a browser. If that's not a clear case in point to discredit everything Netcraft stands for, I don't know what is. Tell me when you've got real information.

	correction (none / 0) (#31)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 07:21:28 PM PST

	Netscape-Enterprise is not a broswer. It's a web server. I believe you are thinking Netscape Navigator.

	Ummmm.....Is this whole site a joke? (none / 0) (#12)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 01:56:55 PM PST

	OK, so the more I read the articles on this site, the more I'm beginning to think the entire thing is a joke. If this is the case could someone please point me in the direction of the disclaimer? Thanks in advance. If this isn't a joke, I feel nothing but pitty for you. First off you seem to equate Red Hat Linux, one of the many available distributions of Linux as the whole of Linux. Linux is a free kernel, the operating system (OS) that you refer to as Linux is merely a collection of programs written under a free licensing agreement. I suggest that you read up on Linux, GNU, and what RMS has to say a little more. Oh, and before you post anything else about this, maybe you should learn a little computer theory. The "pages" the article talks about have nothing to do with webpages. Here is an explanation of paging directly from chapter 8 of "Linux Assembly Language Programming" by Bob Neveln. "Paging was originally designed as a system for economizing memory ... Paging works by intercepting each memory access encountered in the user's machine code. In other words, every memory reference in a user program is turned in to a request for memory access which is required to go across the desk of the paging system for approval. This means that the paging gets control over memory access." See, paging is a memory access technique, and has nothing to do with the size of web pages which are broken up into little bits when stored in RAM anyway. With the large amounts of RAM in today's computers, having 4k pages makes memory management the single largest kernel chore of any OS. For that reason, Intel decided to follow the industry (DEC Alpha, Motorola, IBM, and various other highend chip manufacturers) and increase the page size that their CPUs could handle. AMD didn't steal the technology from anyone. Paging architecture is taught in every processor design class by the second year. All they did was follow the industry trend and implement it. Unfortunately they made a mistake. One that can be corrected with software, but a mistake none the less. The reason it wasn't picked up right away in the Linux community is because the default kernel most people get with their distros is compiled to be compatible with a 386, and to do this, the memory paging must be limited to 4k. However if you recompile your kernel, and enable large paging, which is a good thing, it might break some AMD chips. Of course mission critical linux stuff is run on Alpha chips or Intel Xeon CPU's or the venerable Pentium Pro or for those with a lot of money, Sun Microsystem's chips, so it wasn't noticed. What is the point of "pretty" web pages anyway? They waste bandwidth and CPU cycles, Flash websites are completely useless to blind people (text-to-speech converters can't parse them), and they make it harder for people to understand the point your trying to make. What they are good for is keeping the attention of easily bored americans, and masking the fact that you really don't have any useful content at all and are infact just wasting another IP address which are in short supply. Cheers, Tim

	This site is just a magnet for trolls. (none / 0) (#15)
	by Yoshi on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 03:02:55 PM PST

	OK, so the more I read the articles on this site, the more I'm beginning to think the entire thing is a joke. Perhaps you missed the banner theme. News for grown-ups. I suggest that you read up on Linux, GNU, and what RMS has to say a little more. Yeah, right. That'll be the first thing I do, read up on RMS's brainwashing articles. Sorry, I'm not going to join your fight for Communism. The "pages" the article talks about have nothing to do with webpages. Sure they do. *Here is an explanation of paging directly from chapter 8 of "Linux* Assembly Language Programming" by Bob Neveln. Emphasis added. You really think a Linux book is going to let the cat out of the bag about its own faults? I don't see a "Why Linux Sucks" book from O'Reilly. When you get a reliable source, let me know. For now, you're just trolling with bullshit information. With the large amounts of RAM in today's computers, having 4k pages makes memory management the single largest kernel chore of any OS. Tell me about it. Intel already innovated the technology to allow up to 4Mb web pages a long time ago, but due to AMD, Linux zealots are forced to resort to ASP to combine their pages together, or just stick to shitty, text sites. Fortunately, Windows 2000 fixed this bug 16 months ago. For that reason, Intel decided to follow the industry** Absolute nonsense. No one but Intel ever envisioned a need for web pages larger than 4Kb. We are all eternally in debt to Intel for thinking that far ahead when we did not, however. For this, Intel, we salute you. The reason it wasn't picked up right away in the Linux community is because the default kernel most people get with their distros is compiled to be compatible with a 386, and to do this, the memory paging must be limited to 4k. That's factually incorrect. I already explained why it wasn't detected in the Linux community earlier. Not a single web page devoted to Linux exceeds 4Kb in size. Even if they did, ASP has arisen as a viable new technology for splitting web pages up into more manageable 4K segments.

	Research before you post (none / 0) (#14)
	by Tim Mathews on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 02:51:59 PM PST

	Really? That's funny, I can't seem to purchase a Fairchild Semiconductor x86 processor. This leads me to believe that Intel managed to at least come up with their own design. They did and they didn't. Intel was a Fairchild spinoff and Robert Noyce had helped invent the Integrated Circuit while he was working for Fairchild. So, Intel did design their own microprocessor, but they used IC designs developed at Fairchild, but then so did everyone else. Thats the beauty of the R&D world. Someone creates something, markets it, it gets copied, someone else uses it to create something else, that gets marketed and the process continues and everyone wins. That's why Microsoft didn't invent Javascript until after the Pentium Um, excuse me, Netscape invented JavaScript, which is not Java, which was invented by Sun Microsystems. Not only that, Windows XP, the latest in the suite of high-powered, stable operating systems from Microsoft Corp., has this patch built in. That's right, built in. Minor point, but if it's built in, its not a patch. The actual bug occurs when Linux users contract the Tux Racer virus via KEmail. What exactly is your problem with these two pieces of software? Tux Racer is a cool little game, certainly not a virus, and it isn't free which would make for the most interesting virus if indeed it was one. "We are about to install a virus on your computer, please read the licence agreement below and send us a check for $40, Thanks." I think I'm done now. Have a nice day Tim

	Do your own research (none / 0) (#16)
	by Yoshi on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 03:16:14 PM PST

	*So, Intel did design their own microprocessor, but they used IC designs developed at Fairchild, but then so did everyone else.* Well, that makes the score Intel-1, AMD-0. Netscape invented JavaScript, which is not Java, which was invented by Sun Microsystems. Wrong again. Microsoft invented Javascript in 1995 based upon the successes of the original Pentiums. It first appeared in IE3, which was packaged with the second OEM versions of Windows 95. Netscape merely licensed Microsoft's APIs, and cried foul when they tried to make their own spinoff language that wasn't compatible with IE. Java, on the other hand, is dead, and not worth flogging the dead horse. Get over it. C# is the direction of the future. Minor point, but if it's built in, its not a patch. Wrong again. Since Windows XP was based upon the stable NT core, the patch was applied thereafter (before XP was released), and thus was incorporated into the final core. What exactly is your problem with these two pieces of software? Tux Racer is a cool little game I'm not 'down' with the 'street thug' lingo. If it's a 'hip' and 'cool' game, I guess you can just call me a 'square' for not wanting that trash on my computer.

	Take some time to learn about the subject (none / 0) (#19)
	by Tim Mathews on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 04:22:07 PM PST

	Sir, your ignorance of the subject is infuriating! We'll start here: First of all, the size isn't greater than 100K. It is a multitude of pages of less than 4K in size assembled to create one large page to get around the AMD bug (hence, the derived Assembled Site Pages, or .asp extension, attached to most modern web pages). .asp stands for Active Server Pages, not Assembled Site Pages, which by the way Slashdot doesn't even use. Of course not. I stick to the legal side of computing. By using Linux, I'd only be letting the terrorists win. What exactly is illegal about linux? It's free, is that illegal? Anyone may read the source code, is reading illegal? It isn't owned by a large corporation, is that illegal? Is it illegal because it has been reported that terrorist organizations use it on their servers? Maybe they use it because buying from MS would violate their anti-capitalist principles, or maybe they use it because they know what stable software is. Anyway, if you think that requiring users to type in "mem=nopentium" at the LINUX DOS prompt you get when you turn on your computer is absurd. I am very proud of Microsoft making that kind of thing user friendly. There is no "DOS prompt" in Linux, DOS is an OS from MS. The way you would add the mem=nopentium option would be to edit the file called /etc/lilo.conf and add that line at the beginning somewhere after boot=/dev/hda. Then you would run /sbin/lilo and reboot. Seems simple to me. Easier than editing the windows registry. Yeah, right. That'll be the first thing I do, read up on RMS's brainwashing articles. Sorry, I'm not going to join your fight for Communism. Fight for communism? Kindly explain. The "pages" the article talks about have nothing to do with webpages. Sure they do. No, they really don't. Read the article you referenced again, then do a search for "memory paging" and read some articles on it. Emphasis added. You really think a Linux book is going to let the cat out of the bag about its own faults? I don't see a "Why Linux Sucks" book from O'Reilly. When you get a reliable source, let me know. For now, you're just trolling with bullshit information. OK, you want another source? This is one from UMBC, a school near me. Absolute nonsense. No one but Intel ever envisioned a need for web pages larger than 4Kb. We are all eternally in debt to Intel for thinking that far ahead when we did not, however. For this, Intel, we salute you. Once again, the CPU you use has nothing to do with the size of the websites you can visit. I can access large (>4kb) websites on my 486 just as well as my Dual-P3-500. Wrong again. Microsoft invented Javascript in 1995 based upon the successes of the original Pentiums Did you not take the time to follow the link to Netscape's website that I posted? Wrong again. Since Windows XP was based upon the stable NT core, the patch was applied thereafter (before XP was released), and thus was incorporated into the final core. Following this logic, XP is just a huge patch. What would that be, NT4, Service Pack 14? You see, a patch by definition is something that you get after installing an OS and then apply to it. If it comes patched, it really isn't a patch anymore. I am adding my email here, because I would really like to talk with you some more in something a little faster than this discussion group. tim@accssden.dhs.org g'day tim

	You're getting confused. (none / 0) (#20)
	by Yoshi on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 05:00:26 PM PST

	.asp stands for Active Server Pages, not Assembled Site Pages, which by the way Slashdot doesn't even use. You're getting your technologies confused. Please do some research before further commenting on this topic. What exactly is illegal about linux? It's a hacker operating system that violates the DMCA by illegally overriding your modem's V-Chip, thus allowing hackers to perpetuate their little hacker attacks without fear of retribution. The way you would add the mem=nopentium option would be to edit the file called /etc/lilo.conf and add that line at the beginning somewhere after boot=/dev/hda. Then you would run /sbin/lilo and reboot. Seems simple to me. Easier than editing the windows registry. NEWS FLASH, I don't need to reboot to edit the Windows registry. Perhaps you're delusional. Fight for communism? Kindly explain. Don't play dumb with me. You RMS deciples are all alike, spreading and infesting online BBSes with your Communism promotion and whatnot. OK, you want another source? This is one from UMBC, a school near me. Did you not read the article on why not to send your children to college? This is precisely the reason. Modern day institutions of higher learning are merely bastions for liberal thought, and further promoting their socialistic and communistic ideals, those of which Linux fits right into. It's no wonder they'd post an article full of FUD promoting Linux. I can access large (>4kb) websites on my 486 just as well as my Dual-P3-500. Are you ignoring my posts or is something not sinking in? The ONLY reason you can read those pages on your 486 is because of ASP technology. Did you not take the time to follow the link to Netscape's website that I posted? I'm not even going to fall for that. I have heard all about those links which steal my credit card numbers and send them to you. For social-redistrubution Commies, you guys are into a lot of dirty money. Following this logic, XP is just a huge patch. What would that be, NT4, Service Pack 14? You see, a patch by definition is something that you get after installing an OS and then apply to it. If it comes patched, it really isn't a patch anymore. What the hell are you talking about? Perhaps you would like to clarify. Windows XP includes all of the patches in Windows 2000 SP1 and all of the NT service packs before that. If you think you can throw down a bunch of numbers to try to confuse other readers, it's not going to work. I am adding my email here, because I would really like to talk with you some more in something a little faster than this discussion group. Nice try. Let's see, I email you, you've got my IP token information and will try to hack my Windows XP Firewall. Right. If you need to converse outside the lair of Adequacy, we can work something out, but you best believe it better be a medium where my IP token information is not vulnerable.

	did a LITTLE research (none / 0) (#22)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 05:13:33 PM PST

	I did a search for "Assembled Site Pages" with quotes to limit my results to the specific technology you mentioned. Congratulations that is one of the few search strings that returns not a few but ZERO responses from the following search engines... www.Yahoo.com www.Google.com www.Altavista.com www.NorthernLight.com I got to hand it the Linux people thats one hell of a coverup.

	You're the confused one (none / 0) (#24)
	by Tim Mathews on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 05:22:50 PM PST

	You're getting your technologies confused. Please do some research before further commenting on this topic. OK, just in case I was missing something in the web development world, I did a quick search on google and yahoo for "assembled site pages" and it turned up exactly nothing. It doesn't exist. You should do your homework. It's a hacker operating system that violates the DMCA by illegally overriding your modem's V-Chip, thus allowing hackers to perpetuate their little hacker attacks without fear of retribution. First off, there isn't a "V Chip" in my T-1 line. The T-1 connects to my network via what is called a DSU/CSU, which is owned by the phone company. I'm not on a dial-up, OK? Most of these so called "hacker attacks" are done from a windows computer by some 12 year old kid who downloaded a DoS script. He probably couldn't install windows, much less linux. NEWS FLASH, I don't need to reboot to edit the Windows registry. Perhaps you're delusional. Have you ever run regedit and just looked through your registry? And as you should know, for any settings in the registry to take effect you have to reboot. This is true of any kernel-changing setting of any OS, period. Don't play dumb with me. You RMS deciples are all alike, spreading and infesting online BBSes with your Communism promotion and whatnot. I'm not spreading communism. Who are you? Sen. McCarthy's grandson? Stallman may be a communist, but so what? He has a right, it's not illegal, at least last I checked this was still a free country. Are you ignoring my posts or is something not sinking in? The ONLY reason you can read those pages on your 486 is because of ASP technology. I can access my website, which I know has plaintext pages larger than 4k without this so called assembled site page technology, which by the way I'd like to see a link to. I'm not even going to fall for that. I have heard all about those links which steal my credit card numbers and send them to you. For social-redistrubution Commies, you guys are into a lot of dirty money. Look at where the link points. developer.netscape.com is most certainly not going to steal your credit card number. What the hell are you talking about? Perhaps you would like to clarify. Windows XP includes all of the patches in Windows 2000 SP1 and all of the NT service packs before that. If you think you can throw down a bunch of numbers to try to confuse other readers, it's not going to work. Microsoft did a lot more with XP than just string together all the patches they've written for NT. XP is a much, much more stable code base. They rewrote alot of it, they didn't just apply alot of patches. Nice try. Let's see, I email you, you've got my IP token information and will try to hack my Windows XP Firewall. Right. If you need to converse outside the lair of Adequacy, we can work something out, but you best believe it better be a medium where my IP token information is not vulnerable. Email me from a hotmail account then. Or maybe you have a better idea? you can contact me on AIM if you want, my S/N is accssden Tim

	Confused? I think not. (none / 0) (#27)
	by Yoshi on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 05:46:11 PM PST

	OK, just in case I was missing something in the web development world I hope you're not paid for your web development "skills." I'd be ashamed to hire anyone who had never heard of ASP. First off, there isn't a "V Chip" in my T-1 line. The T-1 connects to my network via what is called a DSU/CSU, which is owned by the phone company. I'm not on a dial-up, OK? Listen, here at Adequacy, we readers maintain a "no nonsense" approach to solutions. Your post is in clear violation of that. It's complete nonsense, full of fabricated acronyms and letter/number combinations to try to evade the issue at hand. Obviously you don't have a V-Chip, because you use a hacked operating system which overrides it, in clear violation of the DMCA. That was already known. nd as you should know, for any settings in the registry to take effect you have to reboot. Absolutely untrue. I can go into the registry right now and change the name of my Recycle Bin without rebooting. Stallman may be a communist, but so what? He has a right, it's not illegal, at least last I checked this was still a free country. What are you now, his little defender? Are you going to defend his every little Communist step? It's no surprise to anyone that you're nothing more than a shadow in his footsteps towards Maoism, so there's no sense in hiding it. I can access my website, which I know has plaintext pages larger than 4k without this so called assembled site page technology You probably don't even know it's being used. Does your page run on Microsoft servers? Then it's got ASP built-in. Even if it's running stolen 'free' web servers, some hackers have even stolen Microsoft's codes and implemented ASP for them too. Look at where the link points. developer.netscape.com is most certainly not going to steal your credit card number. In this day in age, we are all smart enough to know not to believe the root of the domain. Too many redirecting scripts out there prove that even a friendly MSN link could point somewhere malicious. XP is a much, much more stable code base. They rewrote alot of it, they didn't just apply alot of patches. I absolutely agree. No debate here. However, they still implemented the patches from the previous incarnations of the NT codebase. Email me from a hotmail account then. Or maybe you have a better idea? you can contact me on AIM if you want, my S/N is accssden Yeah, right. Hotmail still sends my information too. AIM is the worst idea I've heard so far. I refuse to use anything from a company that contemplates purchasing another Red Menace Linux company, even if the deal falls through. Often times, you can find me on IRC as Yoshi on Slashnet or Yoshee on DALnet. I'm warning you now, though, that my Windows XP firewall is monitoring all malicious activity, so don't try any funny business.

	hehe (none / 0) (#30)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 07:17:23 PM PST

	Listen, here at Adequacy, we readers maintain a "no nonsense" approach to solutions. Your post is in clear violation of that. It's complete nonsense, full of fabricated acronyms and letter/number combinations to try to evade the issue at hand. Obviously you don't have a V-Chip, because you use a hacked operating system which overrides it, in clear violation of the DMCA. That was already known. CSU/DSU (Channels Service unit/Data Service Unit): A hardware device about the size of an external modem that converts the digital data of a computer into the appropriate form for transfer over a 1.544Mbps T1 digital telephone line or over 56Kbps to 64Kbps leased telephone line. Of course what do expect. Yoshi is an osm clone. Hell osm thinks a cable modem is nothing but a 'hacker tool'. Does your page run on Microsoft servers? Then it's got ASP built-in. Even if it's running stolen 'free' web servers, some hackers have even stolen Microsoft's codes and implemented ASP for them too. To say nothing for sites like Yahoo! which runs Apache on FreeBSD. Oh wait, according to Netcraft this site also runs Apache on FreeBSD. In this day in age, we are all smart enough to know not to believe the root of the domain. Too many redirecting scripts out there prove that even a friendly MSN link could point somewhere malicious. Don't trust scripts huh? Ok Mr. Expert, why don't you go to Internet Options (under Tools in IE) and disable scripting? Yeah, right. Hotmail still sends my information too. AIM is the worst idea I've heard so far. I refuse to use anything from a company that contemplates purchasing another Red Menace Linux company, even if the deal falls through Now you don't trust Microsoft? You do know that MS owns Hotmail don't you and claim it runs on Windows 2000? What I really don't get is how you praise the AOL for creating the Internet and claim they own it. Now that they are in talks to buy Red Hat, guess who will own the Internet.

	*sigh* (none / 0) (#32)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 08:55:21 PM PST

	what the hell is your problem????? was your dad a communist who molested you as a little child, damn, i feel sorry for you, you need to come out of your little protective shell and take a look around, there is _nothing_ wrong with being a commmunist, have you ever throughly researched communism, its not little red books and stalin, those are just interpretations from dictators of a very sound and practical political theory. it is one of the best forms of government ever conceived of and the only reason it doesnt work is because of the greed in our society, i.e. the microsofts of the world, the big corporations that control the government thru money made in this capitalist, greed-driving society. also, linux is many times better than anything MS could _ever_ churn out of their s*ty little brains. you also talk about the use of "fabricated acronyms and letter/number combinations" but cannot show any proof that they are, in fact, fake and if you are soooooooooo f*ing paranoid about loosing your credit card number or someone hacking you, dont use it online, i would think it would take a genius to figure that one out but then again, i wouldnt consider you anywhere close to one so i can see why you wouldnt do that.

	Something's not adding up here (none / 0) (#26)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 05:42:01 PM PST

	Ok so this hosts the most unbelievably ignorant ranting I have heard since I read the KKK's web site the same week I first got internet access. But that is nothing new. The Internet in all its grandeur and promise has room for all kinds of opinions, so what I don't get is what Yoshi gets out of this. There aren't any Banner Ads, so that meager revenue stream isn't here. They don't seem to sell any merchandise ("I'm a Jackass! I post articles at Adequacy.org" Tee shirts, or stuff like that) and last I checked no one is buying up pools of active users to further their internet portfolio. So why do this Yoshi? Are you speaking to the lost and misguided in hopes of changing their minds? So far you have only managed to offend and upset your audience. HINT Now is your chance to tell us this is all one big joke and we have been suckers for getting so wrapped up in it. To that we will all take one huge sign of relief and laugh our way to other web sites checking in from time to time to see whom else you've suckered in to believing this.

	how is adequacy.org funded? (none / 0) (#33)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 09:08:54 PM PST

	It's obvious in retrospect. They trick passersby into exposing the deepest, darkest, most controversial corners of their souls, then control them through blackmail. Please don't let my death be in vain. If you chance to read this before it's deleted, do what you can to save yourself from my fate.

	no it's worse (none / 0) (#35)
	by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jan 23rd, 2002 at 06:53:57 AM PST

	I think they're all gay porn stars. I mean a simple surf over to Network Solutions (WHOIS) and you'll find that this Jay Elby person doesn't bother to give any truthful information. By the way Network Solutions handles domain registration for Microsoft Corp. Domain Name.......... adequacy.org Creation Date........ 2000-12-06 Registration Date.... 2000-12-06 Expiry Date.......... 2003-12-06 Organisation Name.... Adequacy.org Organisation Address. 123 1st St Organisation Address. Organisation Address. Beverly Hills Organisation Address. 90210 Organisation Address. CA Organisation Address. UNITED STATES Admin Name........... Jay Elby Admin Address........ 123 1st St Admin Address........ Admin Address........ Beverly Hills Admin Address........ 90210 Admin Address........ CA Admin Address........ UNITED STATES Admin Email.......... jlb+inww@io.com Admin Phone.......... +1 123 456 7890 Admin Fax............ Tech Name............ Jay Elby Tech Address......... 123 1st St Tech Address......... Tech Address......... Beverly Hills Tech Address......... 90210 Tech Address......... CA Tech Address......... UNITED STATES Tech Email........... jlb+inww@io.com Tech Phone........... +1 123 456 7890 Tech Fax............. Name Server.......... ns1.kuro5shin.org Name Server.......... ns2.kuro5shin.org

	Speaking of pages that suck.... (none / 0) (#34)
	by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jan 23rd, 2002 at 02:45:05 AM PST

	All Linux pages follow an unwritten oath to suck do they? Well I'm sure there is no need for me to tell the other poor souls who visited this page what my first thoughts were when I saw it. Heck, if you're going to bag other people's web pages, at least make sure yours doesn't suck first. Or is a boring grey and an ugly picture all the rage these days? JC

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