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Grandma Linux

Author:

NAWL

Topic:

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Posted:

Jan 12, 2002

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For a very long time many have complained about linux based operating systems. The complaints range from user-friendly of linux on desktop systems to misinformed complaints about the GNU GPL to just plain making stuff up to because you're too stupid to think of a real argument. Most of the time the complaints are made by people who really know nothing about linux.

There's an old saying, "those who know the least, bitch and whine the most".

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I'd like to cover the user-friendliness aspect. The biggest arguments is, is that linux based OSes are not so easy that even grandma could use them. Well isn't that nice. Sorry grandma, but you have been reduced to the lowest denominator of PC users.

Most over the really solid arguments come from linux supporters. Now I do mean supporters and not fanatics. Although they do exist in every camp whether it be Windows, Linux, MacOS, or what not.

Supporters claim that most "grandmas" will simply use whatever OS you present in front of them and will usually have trouble with it anyway. Microsoft attempts to make Windows even easier for old granny. This usually just pisses off more experienced users.

I don't think it's granmda's fault. More likely it's your fault. For the most of these people surfing the web, e-mail/chat, and word processing are really the only things they'll use a computer for.

That's where Internet Computers come in. Apple really hasn't gone for the dumbed down idiot boxes. They consider the Mac to be an experience not another appliance in your home. Many in the linux community think computers are computers. The whole digital hub thing is nice but essentially it's a computer. Microsoft on the other hand is focusing on making the computer just another applicance.

Microsoft's idea is great but not as good as Apple's. Apple's philosophy is that all your devices should work seamlessly (or better than on a PC). Microsoft's idea is that every device should be integrate into the PC. This relly sucks if you TV/PC/DVD player/electronic girlfriend craps out on ya. Oh well, I guess your dumb ass will just have to read a book.

Well let's get back to Internet Appliances. Microsoft hopes that it's MSN Companion will allow people to become more comfortable with a computer. With a lack of any real storage space you can't save anything. I guess you could opt for everything to be saved at Microsoft. I mean that is one of the features of .NET isn't it? Essentially every computer becomes dumb. Sorry Microsoft but will all the goings on, and security holes, I don't feel comfortable with you holding all my financial information and profile. And one more thing. The MSN Companion has a screen that is really shit small. So my question is, what friggin moron thought it would be cool to include a wireless infra-red keyboard?

The other offering is OEone's Internet Computer. It's a computer that's been scaled down so that anyone can use. Yep, even if you're not familiar with...linux. The Internet computer is a computer unlike the MSN companion. It offers the ability to do most of what grandma's use a computer for a much more. Anyone who is a little scared about working with linux will be surprised to learn that everything is done with a simply point and CLICK! In fact it's so simply to use many people won't even know it runs linux. That is unless you tell them. Of course like always, grandma will still have trouble with it.

To read more about the Internet Computer read the review below.
Linux for people who think an iMac is hard to use.

	What is this shit? (5.00 / 2) (#1)
	by Yoshi on Sat Jan 12th, 2002 at 11:26:54 PM PST

	You've got to be kidding me. Grandmother using Linux? Yeah, right. I'll just tell my grandmother to "RTFM" when she realizes she has to "recompile" her "kernel" to get her fucking usb "camera" to work in the "operating system." Well, here's news for you, buddy. It'll be a cold day in hell when I tell my grandmother to ever waste her time with your open sauce bullshit. I don't care if she's a fucking CS undergrad, there is no place for that junk at my grandmother's house. The FBI raiding her house for posessing the illegal hacker codes is just something that my family doesn't need. Imagine the look on your grandmother's face the day that you have to tell her that her "win"modem won't work because linix programmers are sorry assed pieces of shit who attach labels to hardware devices so they don't have to take blame for not supporting. "Win"modems, now I guess they've got "win"mice and "win"printers, it's just more terminology from the Communists who can't figure out how to illegally hack their sauce code.

	read before you post (1.00 / 1) (#3)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:38:10 AM PST

	Did you bother to read the review of the Internet Computer before you shot off your mouth? Yeah, right. I'll just tell my grandmother to "RTFM" when she realizes she has to "recompile" her "kernel" to get her fucking usb "camera" to work in the "operating system." First off we're talking about the lowest "denominator" when referring to grandma. These people don't know a digital camera from their ass. The FBI raiding her house for posessing the illegal hacker codes is just something that my family doesn't need. Please provide a link to news about the FBI raiding someones house for using linux. And please provide a second source to back it up. You people are so dumb. You think just because it's open source it's illegal or stolen. Gee maybe the FBI should shut down Yahoo! It runApache on FreeBSD. Imagine the look on your grandmother's face the day that you have to tell her that her "win"modem won't work because linix programmers are sorry assed pieces of shit who attach labels to hardware devices so they don't have to take blame for not supporting. Winmodem is a term that manufacturers use. Look at the web sites of most manufacturer. Many have stopped developing winmodems. I think the developer have done rather well developing drivers with no help from the manufacturer. Like to see the boy at Microsoft do that. Plug a USB device into a Mac. Is it guarenteed to work? Besides the Internet Computer comes with a modem dumbass as well as an ethernet port. WinModem is really just half a modem -- a card with a DSP and a phone jack, but none of the usual telecommunications chips on board. Instead, it uses the system processor(s) to do all of the hard work. The catch is that it utilizes Windows-specific API calls to accomplish its task. Because this hardware is not operating system-agnostic, it can't be made to work under BeOS or Linux, or under any other x86 operating system, for that matter. You likely use many electronic devices which do not use any software (even embedded) from MS. PDAs for example may utilize PalmOS, Linux or Windows Embedded or other proprietary OS. Would you tell someone not to buy a PDA because it might use PalmOS or Linux? Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	feeding the trolls (3.66 / 3) (#20)
	by Yoshi on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 11:01:13 AM PST

	They have sites devoted to your trolling efforts so you don't have to fuck around with this site. First off we're talking about the lowest "denominator" when referring to grandma. These people don't know a digital camera from their ass. I don't know what the hell you're trying to imply here. First of all, if "grandma" can double click the Internet Explorer icon to check her email, I'm pretty sure she can go to OfficeMax and buy a "USB digital camera". Then, with grandma's Windows XP, she plugs it into the little slot and it's installed. If you ever used Windows XP, you fucking dolt, you'd know that it immediately pops up a dialog box asking what you want to do with the pictures. Yes, that's right, no software installation necessary. Even grandma can do it. Try that with your fucking communist OS. Please provide a link to news about the FBI raiding someones house for using linux. And please provide a second source to back it up. You people are so dumb. You think just because it's open source it's illegal or stolen. Gee maybe the FBI should shut down Yahoo! It runApache on FreeBSD. Yeah, right. I'll provide you a link, and then one of you open sauce pirates will hack it. I know how you all work. Someone posts a negative article and you use your "nmap" to break into it. Yahoo shouldn't be shut down, they should be praised for helping crack down on the open sauce hackers that do this kind of thing to them. They're anti-Capitalist bastards, that's what they are. Winmodem is a term that manufacturers use. No, it's a term that 3COM used before you pirates tried to spply it to every modem that you can't figure out how to get to work. WinModem is really just half a modem -- a card with a DSP and a phone jack, but none of the usual telecommunications chips on board. Instead, it uses the system processor(s) to do all of the hard work. The catch is that it utilizes Windows-specific API calls to accomplish its task. Absolute bullshit. You know as well as I do that the communist Linix developers refuse to make drivers for these modems because they can't get around the V-Chip. Serving its purpose, the chip realizes it's being used in association with an illegal hacker OS and disables itself. The open sauce faggots can't get around it, so they claim it's a "win"modem, and thus, not their fault. Because this hardware is not operating system-agnostic, it can't be made to work under BeOS or Linux, or under any other x86 operating system, for that matter. No kidding. It has protection for all of your hacker "variations" such as Linux, Lunix, Lornix, Stallmanix, FreeBSDIX, and BeUX. They're all feeding off of their own sauce code, and the V-Chip is preventing the illegal hacker variants from stealing more of AOL and Microsoft's internet bandwidth. You likely use many electronic devices which do not use any software (even embedded) from MS. PDAs for example may utilize PalmOS, Linux or Windows Embedded or other proprietary OS. Would you tell someone not to buy a PDA because it might use PalmOS or Linux? I'd tell them to buy one of those Pocket PC 2002 PDAs that has the Pocket Internet Explorer, Pocket Word, and Pocket Windows Media Player. Imagine being able to watch your little movies on the thing, then browse the web in the greatest browser you're used to on the desktop. Simple as that. I know you hackers love the PalmOSIX because of all the illegal hacker programs you can write for it, like the ones that automatically open car doors in a parking lot, the ones that can fuck up a television with its IR port, and all sorts of other prosecutable offenses you can muster. Well, I won't stand for it, and if I see anyone with an illegal remote control like the Palm or Visor, I'm confiscating it the instant I see it.

	thank osm (none / 0) (#24)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:45:45 PM PST

	Now you've got another dumbass talking about modem V-chips and other idiocies. Great. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	This is just rediculous (none / 0) (#40)
	by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:01:15 PM PST

	You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. It's painfully evident because firstly: There are no cases of anyone's house being raided for using Linux. It's a perfectly legal OS. secondly: A good number of OS's are open source, or semi-open source ( This is where developers pay to get required Open Source to improve their software compatability with a certain OS ). You're too foolish to realize this, which is ok, but I think you should shut your mouth. thirdly: Linux and it's variants are not hacker OS's. PALM OS is actually NOT based on Unix ( Ask Palm ). Thank you.

	Talking through your ass (5.00 / 1) (#45)
	by Yoshi on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:20:12 PM PST

	It's a perfectly legal OS. Yeah, right. Linix is an OS founded entirely on the principle of stealing software and music files from their rightful owners. Half of the linix itself is stolen from Microsoft's mainframes, which explains why everything that the KDE (Kommunist Desktop Entropy) system makes is stolen from Microsoft's secret codes called "APIs" (Application Pictoral Interface) that they licenced from large companies that outsource their API divisions. You thieves pirate their costly R&D efforts and the resulting products. A good number of OS's are open source, or semi-open source But the number of good open sauce OS's is slim to none. I know of none. PALM OS is actually NOT based on Unix ( Ask Palm ). I know. An established company competing in a marketplace with conscientious consumers has more than enough sense not to go the hacker UNIX route. However, much to their chagrin, the acne-faced teenagers took over and started to market their hacker programs for PalmUX. Now, it's nothing more than a renegade hacker cult tool taken from a movie. Pocket PC 2002 is the future, not the overruled script kiddy culture surrounding Palm.

	well I never thought... (none / 0) (#66)
	by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 06:34:45 AM PST

	...that operating systems could actually be a source of humour. For example, check out this "hilarious" "game".

	funny (none / 0) (#70)
	by NAWL on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 12:45:22 PM PST

	Ever played Xbill? Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Ugh... (none / 0) (#78)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 15th, 2002 at 07:21:43 PM PST

	Can someone BE so foolish? I guess so... API - Application Programming Interface. It's an OS specific way of getting to the intricate and advanced sections of the OS. It's in no way Microsoft specific nor was it invented by Microsoft. KDE - K Desktop Environment or Kopernicus Desktop Environment. By the by: Linux was founded because the creator was sick of Minix. In his original post for Linux .02, he had stated that his OS was for people who were looking for a challange and a way to beat the Minix OS ( Minix is a version of Unix that's very small and rediculously stable. Unfortunately, Linux DID beat Minix, so Minix development has almost stopped ). Was it developed by Hackers? In some cases yes, but remember this was when Hacking meant you delved into Operating Systems ( which were not usually closed source. Prime examples of the first few closed source OS's were IBM's UNIX V and Hp's UNIX systems ) in order to improve it and/or create a driver ( realize, that back then Monolithic Kernels ( ones where the Drivers are built into the Kernel itself - ie: Linux ) were the only kernels around that people could use. This means decompiling and recompiling the kernel every time you change a driver. Modules weren't realistic at the time either, so Linux's method of Driver management was impossible. Monolithic Kernels are also known as Hardware-Driven OS's ). Linus decided to go Open Source to give people FUN. Realize that Linux was developed for the 'heck of it.' It was NEVER EVER EVER developed in the premise of 'making money' or 'profit.' To this day, Linus had made virtually little or no money on his system. And the reason Palm doesn't use a UNIX-based system is because it couldn't support the type of compression they desire. Palm OS1, 2 and 3 are based on MINIX though.

	good job, slight corrections (none / 0) (#79)
	by NAWL on Wed Jan 16th, 2002 at 02:57:03 AM PST

	API - Application Programming Interface. It's an OS specific way of getting to the intricate and advanced sections of the OS. It's in no way Microsoft specific nor was it invented by Microsoft. I don't believe that anyone was foolish enough to say that APIs in general were specific to or invented by Micrsoft. Prime examples of the first few closed source OS's were IBM's UNIX V and Hp's UNIX systems )... I believe you mean IBM's AIX and Hewlett-Packard's HP-UX. Unix V (as you refer to it) is better known as System V which was developed at [then] AT&T's Bell Labs. The first version to be developed outside of the Bell Labs (at UC-Berkeley) was V6 which became the basis for BSD (Berkeley Standard Distribution also referred to as Berkeley Software Distribution). Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Oops :p (none / 0) (#81)
	by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jan 16th, 2002 at 04:03:40 PM PST

	Yeah, I always get those UNIX distributions mixed up ( which is really bad anyways ), but I never use 'em anyways so that's probably why.

	what (none / 0) (#80)
	by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jan 16th, 2002 at 03:01:28 PM PST

	v-chips go in new TV's dude. they limit what your kid watches. maybe you should get one; obviously you're watching the wrong channels. why the hell do most of the people on this site make up totally nonsense stuff like some v-chip in winmodems limiting their use to windows? as already posted by other people, there are workarounds for winmodems. people ARE writing drivers for them for linux. winmodems CAN be used in linux, when the proper drivers are written for them. don't say that "oh haha, you need drivers in linux", cuz um, you need drivers for winmodems in windows, too... don't tell me my punctuation, grammar, spelling, or anything else needs improvement, work on your own flaws first.

	Re: feeding the trolls (none / 0) (#84)
	by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 09:27:50 AM PST

	Yoshi, great post. I just think you should make your subject lines a little more descriptive ... some people simply don't get it .... but I guess that's why it is such fun ...

	Little corrections (aka, Winmodems vs Linux) (5.00 / 1) (#28)
	by The Mad Scientist on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 01:54:17 PM PST

	Winmodems, despite of being in fact a crippled modem-themed joke, run under Linux. Some brands, at least. They are nicknamed Linmodems. WinModem is really just half a modem -- a card with a DSP and a phone jack, but none of the usual telecommunications chips on board. Instead, it uses the system processor(s) to do all of the hard work. The catch is that it utilizes Windows-specific API calls to accomplish its task. Little correction. Only some winmodems have DSP; the cheaper brands are nothing more than a cheap soundcard with even cheaper phone line interface, and rely on the host machine with all the signal processing (called HSP, Host Signal Processing). These... errm... models usually don't work well even in their "native environment". Winmodems don't use any specific API calls; they employ "standard" (we use Microsoft's definition of "standard" here) modem API/TAPI calls. Because this hardware is not operating system-agnostic, it can't be made to work under BeOS or Linux, or under any other x86 operating system, for that matter. It can, as shown above. Sometimes as a fullscale modem, sometimes as a phone-interfaced soundcard. Quoting from Linmodems.org: There are many applications for a Winmodem if you stop thinking of it as a modem, and start thinking of it as a telephone interface: Think telephone emulation (put the audio card into full duplex, and talk to the linmodem with it). Think telephone with a backspace key (use the linmodem to dial for you). Think smart telephone: "That line is busy. Do you want me to retry in five minutes?" Think "voice dialling". Think "soft pbx". Equip enough machines in an office for all the outside lines. Then do IP telephone inter-office, and go to a linmodem when you need an outside line. Think answering machine. Think pager interface. Your answering machine takes the call, phones your pager company and pages you). Think "contact database with integral dialler, and answering machine recognition". Think "call recording with no off-hook click". Think message detail recorder (basically a record of all time spent on the phone. Great for billing. None of these require more CPU than a 386. Feel free to experiment. You can also build your own telephone interface circuits. I should try to play with it again...

	As a telecomms engineer... (none / 0) (#34)
	by because it isnt on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 04:47:04 PM PST

	I can authoritively state that Linux is doing people a favour by not accepting "Win" modems. These are not modems at all, but cheap DSPs glued to a PC card. The essential compliance with telecomms standards is recklessly left to software. Not only that, but it's the general purpose user-oriented operating system Windows being used, instead of a proper RTOS like Vertex or pSOS. If you find anyone with a "Win" modem, help improve their computer by throwing this "modem" in the bin and buying a real modem instead. You will also find that the only thing Linux hackers are using "Win" modems for is to play 2600Hz tones at us, and other inept attempts to hack their line card. I mean, come on guys, in-band signalling is so 1970s. adequacy.org -- because it isn't

	yet another troll making up "facts"... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
	by Yoshi on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:46:56 PM PST

	Like I said, Linix is only claiming that they don't support "win"modems because they can't get around the V-Chip protection. Everything else on their hacker OS, they've managed to crack, like the DeCSS (Decrypting Content Subscription Service) so they don't have to pay DirecTV for satellite television anymore. They just hook it up to their hacked TV tuner card and Linix pirates the rest. You felons have already figured out how to steal music from the starving artists. Well, I hope you're happy now. These are... cheap DSPs* glued to a PC card. [...] Not only that, but it's... Windows..., instead of... RTOS like VERTEX or pSOS.* You can make up acronyms to your heart's content, but your fallacious arguments have no place here on Adequacy. Making up information like you just did is a red flag for trolling, and is something that every editor here at Adequacy.org should take notice of. You are doing no one a favor by attempting to mask your inept knowledge of modems with misleading claims and trivial data, so keep it out of here.

	Spoken like one who knows (none / 0) (#64)
	by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 04:20:48 AM PST

	You can make up acronyms to your heart's content, but your fallacious arguments have no place here on Adequacy. In case you hadn't noticed, the telecomms industry lives by acronyms. If you don't believe me, try making a phone call without DTMF'ing your RCU (or PBX) with PCM. I realise that because you are attacking me personally with this "troll" epiphet, and not attacking my argument, you have already lost. I would return the compliment, given your errant "V-Chip" ramblings, but you probably do think they're real. Perhaps the revelation came to you in a drug-induced vision.

	Dear Anonymous Reader, (none / 0) (#67)
	by Martino Cortez PhD on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 07:08:20 AM PST

	Again, you are making stuff up. Acronyms such as "PBX" "Pheakers Branch eXchange", DTMF "Dont Touch My Fone" and PCM "Pheakers Cracker Manual" are all secret codes used by malicious hackers. Much like drug dealers will make up "codes" to conceal their illegal activities, so do the hackers. No real telephone person I have had wine with will use such foul language. -- Dr Martino Cortez, PhD CEO - Martin-Cortez Financial Corporation Copyright � 2002, Martino Cortez.

	Incoming Transmission (none / 0) (#65)
	by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 06:30:10 AM PST

	"Houston we have a moron." Ooooh Windows XP supports Raw Sockets! Its like sushi!

	Linux and Vaporware (none / 0) (#2)
	by MessiahWWKD on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:17:45 AM PST

	That's where Internet Computers come in. Apple really hasn't gone for the dumbed down idiot boxes. Perhaps you've never heard of a Mac. The other offering is OEone's Internet Computer. The link you posted was fake. What is it with you Luddites and vaporware? Even if it somehow isn't vaporware, which I highly doubt, I also doubt that it will be compatible with 90% of the Internet unless it uses a Mozilla, in which case, it will be extremely slow. Linux is for people who think having an OS with color is bloated. Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

	here's the link (none / 0) (#4)
	by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:44:26 AM PST

	Link here Besides, there were a couple of links in the review (bottom of the diary entry stupid). Did you bother to read it? After reading your post, apparently not. Also I think you mean the iMac. They aren't dumbed down. They include most everything that the PowerMacs do. Do a little comparing next time.

	Oxymoron (none / 0) (#60)
	by MessiahWWKD on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 10:44:52 PM PST

	Power Mac is such an oxymoron. Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

	Nothing is sacred to you hackers, is it? (none / 0) (#5)
	by osm on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 02:23:17 AM PST

	My grandmother doesn't lock herself in her bedroom, popping zits all over her monitor, her brain frying to a crisp in her skull due to excessive dosages of LSD while trying to hack into Microsoft's miniframe. Therefore, my grandmother would have no use for your dubious "operating system" and IP thieving ways. And why should you want my grandmother using your illegal program? Possibly so you can covertly install spy software on her system and decode her AOL account information so you can get free online time to commit your crimes? So, tell us, "NAWL", how many systems have you hacked into this week? How many MP3s have you illegally downloaded? How many IP tokens have you plucked out of thin air and diverted to some subversive cause? Honestly, I don't know why I bothered to read your textual defecation, with which you consistently insist on soiling this message board.

	sure (none / 0) (#8)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 03:53:51 AM PST

	ok, I'll do that. But you must explain to me what the hell an IP token is supposed to be and provide links to back it up. In other try not to make shit up like you usually do. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Dear NAWL sir, (5.00 / 1) (#22)
	by Martino Cortez PhD on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 11:20:40 AM PST

	What makes you think AOL will disclose their secret IP token system? You probably know how it works because you illegally hacked into AOL. -- Dr Martino Cortez, PhD CEO - Martin-Cortez Financial Corporation Copyright � 2002, Martino Cortez.

	This is old (5.00 / 1) (#35)
	by osm on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 04:56:24 PM PST

	But you must explain to me what the hell an IP token is supposed to be AGAIN?? What, are you autistic or something? In other try not to make shit up like you usually do. Blah, blah, blah. We both know I am right and you are wrong. Your pathetic attempt to fool the readers here into using your hacker software is getting old. You are seriously in jeapordy of bringing the forces of the Justice Department upon yourself.

	oh well then (none / 0) (#38)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 06:51:44 PM PST

	Well if you're right then you should have no problem finding multiple sources and providing links to technical websites to prove it. Yes please do. I so wanna know what IP swapping entails. What token IPs are. How a V-Chip reads a modems ROM to reveal hackers. I would love to see a link that proves MS invented token ring. You see I can provided 100+ links that show you're an idiot. I can link you to the MS website to show you are an idiot. You have shit knowledge and I'm supposed to take your word for it? Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Actually, I'm kinda wondering: (none / 0) (#42)
	by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:13:40 PM PST

	I've never seen any post to what exactly an IP Token is. I'm new here & stuff so I'm kinda wondering where you guys found this. I'm gonna also ask a netowrking friend of mine who works for a company in downtown chicago and another friend of mine who works for the ISP Sun Services ( I believe that's what it's called ) about this.

	here you go (none / 0) (#47)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:43:17 PM PST

	Here's a link to the story. Most of the idiocy can be found in his comments. osm is a dumbass who gets off on things like anthrax cases in Kansas City. I really hope this doesn't mean he's from KC. Why? I live in the KC Metro Area. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Wow.. (none / 0) (#77)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 15th, 2002 at 07:09:01 PM PST

	That's the biggest load of crap I've ever read in my life...

	Liar (5.00 / 1) (#44)
	by osm on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:55:44 PM PST

	You have provided nothing but hacked links which attempt to install illegal software on my internet browser. I, on the other hand, have provided the readership with valuable knowledge with which they may arm themselves against the crusading pirate hackers you represent. You are obviously a lonely teen, probably stoned for Jesus on acid. Nevertheless, you have violated several sections of the DMCA and are, no doubt, in the crosshairs of the Justice Department.

	good one (none / 0) (#46)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:32:00 PM PST

	You have provided nothing but hacked links which attempt to install illegal software on my internet browser. Really? So the links which point to the MS website are BS? I think you're just to stupid to admit you have no clue what you're talking about. Why don't you try going to the MS knowledge base (MS Technet) and look up all that crap. You won't find it. I, on the other hand, have provided the readership with valuable knowledge with which they may arm themselves against the crusading pirate hackers you represent. With a bunch of made up crap? Hardly. You are obviously a lonely teen, probably stoned for Jesus on acid. Nevertheless, you have violated several sections of the DMCA and are, no doubt, in the crosshairs of the Justice Department That makes sense. I am a teen grandfather with kids out of college? Which sections of the DMCA did I violate? You guys love to site the DMCA but really don't know squat about it. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	NAWL: The Father of Lies (5.00 / 1) (#48)
	by osm on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:43:39 PM PST

	Really? So the links which point to the MS website are BS? Every link you have provided has crashed Internet Explorer. Further investigations on my part have come to the conclusion it was due to the fact that you had hacked the links to install illegal software on my computer. With a bunch of made up crap? Hardly. Yeah, you keep saying that but, magically, can't prove it. Fortunately most readers of this site are far too intelligent to believe your lies. That makes sense. I am a teen grandfather with kids out of college? "pissoff@screwU.net"??? "http://www.tigbitties.com"??? And you expect me to believe you are old enough to be a grandfather??! Please. Which sections of the DMCA did I violate? You guys love to site the DMCA but really don't know squat about it. The DMCA strictly forbids you from violating our TOS by accessing this site using illegal software. So put that in your pipe and smoke it, "gramps".

	not again, round and round (none / 0) (#53)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 09:14:38 PM PST

	Yeah, you keep saying that but, magically, can't prove it. Fortunately most readers of this site are far too intelligent to believe your lies. Funny, I provide a bunch of working links (which I can access using IE, something must be wrong with your install). Yet you provide *NOTHING* but a bunch of "I said it so it's true. I am the big idiot osm, believe me!" Fact is you have *NEVER* provided any proof. Now what you got? "pissoff@screwU.net"??? "http://www.tigbitties.com"??? Where did I put that? Oh, I know. In the test box marked FAKE EMAIL. The website is just for fun. The DMCA strictly forbids you from violating our TOS by accessing this site using illegal software. Have you actually bothered to read the DMCA? I have. Can you post the section that mentions this? Thought not. *PROVE IT* Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Shut the hell up (5.00 / 1) (#54)
	by osm on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 09:25:53 PM PST

	Funny, I provide a bunch of working links (which I can access using IE, something must be wrong with your install). Yeah, sure. With you lunix hackers, it's always a problem with the Windows system. It's a problem with my Windows system that it won't allow you to install illegal software on my computer?? AHAHAHAHAHAHA. You people have serious issues. Where did I put that? Oh, I know. In the test box marked FAKE EMAIL. The website is just for fun. The point is, someone old enough to be a grandfather wouldn't be so immature as to use such links as their fake email address and home page. Not to mention the fact that you exhibit an illiteracy that wasn't found in America prior to Clinton taking office. Have you actually bothered to read the DMCA? As a matter of fact, I have. As a sitting member of the MPAA, I have had much experience with it. And let me assure you, I have powerful friends that are very interested in your activities, "gramps".

	oh don't start cry :( (none / 0) (#55)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 09:46:52 PM PST

	Shut the hell up! You gonna start crying like a little bitch with a skinned knee? The point is, someone old enough to be a grandfather wouldn't be so immature as to use such links as their fake email address and home page. I can do whatever I want. There's nothing in the TOS that I have to be mature in my posting of a FAKE EMAIL and website. I've been serious all my life. I come from strict family of Roman Catholic Spaniards. So sit and twirl. :) As a matter of fact, I have. As a sitting member of the MPAA, I have had much experience with it. And let me assure you, I have powerful friends that are very interested in your activities, "gramps". PROVE IT! I said post the section. Where is it? Who really cares about the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA)? What exactly have I done to bring about their wrath <sarcasm>? Maybe you mean the Mennonite Property Aid Association (MPAA) - mutual aid association for members of Mennonite, Brethren in Christ and other Anabaptist Churches. Offering financial sharing in property and casualty insurance losses. *PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT* Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	"Oh don't start cry" (5.00 / 1) (#56)
	by osm on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 09:55:05 PM PST

	Oh don't start cry Pig latin? Ebonics? Newspeak? I can do whatever I want Yeah, I've noticed you hackers all seem to think that. The fact is: no you can't. A fact which you will soon be learning the hard way. PROVE IT! It's a fact beyond reproach. A cursory reading of the DMCA is all the proof you need. PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT Go to bed. You need your rest for when the big kids beat you up tomorrow.

	is that it? (none / 0) (#61)
	by NAWL on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 01:10:07 AM PST

	WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Wussy! Come on I want those links about Token IPs, IP passing and all that other crap you made up. I know why you avoid it. Maybe because you're full of shit? And if you actually read the DMCA you should be able to post the section that proves your statement.This should help. And did you really think someone would be scared by you claiming to be a member of the MPAA? The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) serves its members from its offices in Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. On its board of directors are the Chairmen and Presidents of the seven major producers and distributors of motion picture and television programs in the United States. These members include: Walt Disney Company; Sony Pictures Entertainment, Inc.; Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc.; Paramount Pictures Corporation; Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp.; Universal Studios, Inc.; and Warner Bros. Oh I know you work for Disney right? Look it's the Adequacy.org DMCA Police Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	How old are you really? 13? 14? (5.00 / 1) (#62)
	by osm on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 01:21:01 AM PST

	HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Wussy! Extremely childish. At this point, I'm just going to delete your worthless posts.

	hackers and linux (none / 0) (#27)
	by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 01:41:17 PM PST

	i have a question osm, who gave you the idea linux is ONLY a hacking OS, and that it is illegal? Half of the people that use it are advanced computer users looking for an operating system that is is in their control, and is secure. i will bet you 10 bucks this website runs on a linux server. another thing, MP3's arent illegal, its the audio that is illegal to distribute. MP3, is only an encoder to make the audio take up less space, if MP3 was illegal so would AIFF, WAV, and Windows Media Files, which are just ways of storing the information.

	"10 bucks this website runs on a linux server (5.00 / 1) (#29)
	by error27 on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 01:58:47 PM PST

	I'll take that bet.

	somebody pay up (none / 0) (#41)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:01:25 PM PST

	Adequacy.org runs Apache 1.3.22 on FreeBSD. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	FreeBSD = Tool of Satan! (none / 0) (#51)
	by gcsb on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 09:08:04 PM PST

	FreeBSD only makes matters worse! It is clearly a tool of the Devil himself. I strongly suggest that you stay away from this evil OS and stick to linux, which as least supports the v-chip and AOL IP-Token passing. Best Regards, gcsb Sig is under re-construction...do not panic.

	daemons not demons (none / 0) (#57)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 09:55:35 PM PST

	The little red fellow that graces many of these pages is the BSD Daemon. In the context of Unix systems, daemons are process that run in the background attending to various tasks without human intervention. In the general sense, daemon is an older form of the word demon. In the Unix System Administration Handbook, Evi Nemeth has this to say about daemons: "Many people equate the word ``daemon'' with the word ``demon,'' implying some kind of Satanic connection between UNIX and the underworld. This is an egregious misunderstanding. ``Daemon'' is actually a much older form of ``demon''; daemons have no particular bias towards good or evil, but rather serve to help define a person's character or personality. The ancient Greeks' concept of a ``personal daemon'' was similar to the modern concept of a ``guardian angel'' --- ``eudaemonia'' is the state of being helped or protected by a kindly spirit. As a rule, UNIX systems seem to be infested with both daemons and demons." (p403) Isn't it funny how most pictorial representations of the BSD daemon show it with a pitch fork AND a halo? Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	indeed... (none / 0) (#58)
	by gcsb on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 10:05:30 PM PST

	As a rule, UNIX systems seem to be infested with both daemons and demons Exactly! Demons! Just as I said! Quote whatever you like from Satan infested Websites, there is no denying the fact that FreeBSD is a tool of the minions of hell. May the good Lord take Mercy on your Soul. Best regards, gcsb Sig is under re-construction...do not panic.

	The power of Satan Manifests itself... (none / 0) (#59)
	by gcsb on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 10:12:31 PM PST

	My link titled "Websites" in my previous post was meant to point to that heathen den of homosexual, devil worshipping, FreeBSD promoters known as slash dot . org. It seems that the evil power of FreeBSD has raped my post and caused the link to point to my own God fearing reply. This is exactly the sort of devilish thing you can expect to happen when you run an OS from the depths of hell itself. Kind Regards, gcsb Sig is under re-construction...do not panic.

	Not according to the FreeBSD advocates (none / 0) (#63)
	by walwyn on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 03:49:45 AM PST

	Apparently linux sucks.

	the thieves are out in full force tonight (5.00 / 1) (#52)
	by Yoshi on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 09:10:26 PM PST

	Half of the people that use it are advanced computer users looking for an operating system that is is in their control, and is secure. Oh, that's right. "In their control" is your euphemism for "disable the V-Chip". The reason you hackers love linix is because they can easily disable their computer's anti-hacking protection so they can easily go about hacking corporate mainframes like Yahoo with their "NMap" (Network Map, apparently it prints out instructions on how to hack the different 'sectors' of a corporation's computer system). Don't get me started on security. When you felons say "secure," it's quite clear you're referring to your Communist plot to prevent the FBI from finding terrorists with their terrorist surveillance system by overloading their system with nefarious data crafted by the EMAX (Erronious Maximus, hacker lingo for creating a flood of random data that crashes FBI computers). MP3's arent illegal, its the audio that is illegal to distribute. MP3, is only an encoder to make the audio take up less space That's what all of you pirates say. "MP3s aren't illegal." Boo hoo, cry me a river when the FBI raids your house because you're pirating another Britney Spears album on Kaaza. You know as well as I do that the only use of MP3s you get is to pirate albums released by the record industry. Apparently, you expect them to recoup their losses some other way, but you fail to explain what it is yet. MP3 was illegal so would... Windows Media Files, which are just ways of storing the information. On the contrary, hokey pal. Microsoft isn't adept to your squirrelly little world of piracy. Windows Media Audio has adequate copyright protection algorithms implemented into the files themselves so the authors can still make money. But you know what? You pirates can't even accept it, you hacked Microsoft's mainframes once again to steal the secret API codes behind Windows Media Player too. Do you people stop at anything?

	Why are we supposed to care about this? (none / 0) (#6)
	by iat on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 02:33:20 AM PST

	Last time I checked, this site was "Adequacy - News for Grown-Ups", not "Slashdot - News for Nerds". I thought that by now we'd thoroughly debated the pros and cons (mostly cons) of Linux, and Adequacy's readership had all reached the conclusion that Linux is inferior to Windows. Obviously I was wrong. Although we'd planned next week to be another completely computer-related-article-free week (just like last week was), it seems we're going to have to return to re-educating our users about the evils of Linux and hacking. Expect more "Linux Zealot" and hacker-related articles along soon... Adequacy.org - love it or leave it.

	pro/con (none / 0) (#9)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 03:57:17 AM PST

	This kind of stuff will stop when you can actually present a list of pros and cons that are not biased, factually inaccurate, don't containing numerous spelling errors, and are written by someone that has actually been able to install linux. You want this site to be consider an intellectual bredding ground. Then stop osm from post stupid made up crap. John Wozniak? IP tokens? MS inventing the network? Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	I think not (none / 0) (#16)
	by iat on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:49:31 AM PST

	This kind of stuff will stop when you can actually present a list of pros and cons that are not biased [etc, etc] We've already done that, several times before. Just because our unbiased opinions don't agree with your distorted perception of Linux and rabidly anti-Microsoft viewpoints, it doesn't mean that we're biased. On the contrary, I think Adequacy.org has remarkably high levels of journalistic integrity. don't containing numerous spelling errors Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle. Then stop osm from post stupid made up crap. He's an editor, so it's his site to post what he likes without requiring permission from anyone. If you don't like his fine articles, don't read them. Adequacy.org - love it or leave it.

	infection (none / 0) (#19)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 10:24:02 AM PST

	Well then you all must be catching the the bug, because all you post is made up biased bull shit. If have never seen an argument presented that wasn't 95% factually inaccurate (100 links can prove that), contained numerous spelling errors (come on Leenyos Tovartledes or Lunix?), or paint MS as the savior of the computer, the Internet and the entire world as well as the great innovator. Maybe you just like making stuff up? Half the time your timelines are all screwed up. "UNIX is a backwards engineered DOS" or "The Apple I used low-level MSDOS commands"? People post stories and diaries that know nothing what-so-ever. Computer Scientists that will never answer a hard hitting tech question. MCSEs they know a damn thing about Unix or basic networking. People claiming the MCSE is the almighty of certifications. Please name one tech story/diary that wasn't absolutely picked apart for the above reasons. I think the biggest load of crap (beyond claiming to have installed 6 OSes on the same machine and referring to it as triple booting) was Adequacy's feeling towards Linux and OSS. Adequacy is not anti Linux or anti open source. Final note: Those of us who want powerful Unix-like OS on the desktop will choose FreeBSD, or OpenBSD, or Solaris, or at a push MacOS X. Linus is not Windows. Why pretend? OpenBSD and Solaris aren't dekstop OSes either. Niether is FreeBSD unless its FreeBSD Desktop or MacOSX. Choosing MacOSX means chooing a Mac an Solaris means purchasing a Sun Sparc system. Not exactly a desktop now is it? HAHA I would seriously suggest you guys picking up "Computers for Absoltue Friggin' Morons". If you want people to take you seriously, THINK BEFORE you press SUBMIT. I mean that is unless you're really just posting fiction for 5 year olds. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Dear Sir, (none / 0) (#21)
	by Martino Cortez PhD on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 11:18:31 AM PST

	Your post provides no proof that anything our group of elite posters said was in fact, made up. Please, I beg of you, stop posting this inane, made up fairy tale. You and I both know that this "linux" "operating system" can never compare to the mighty Microsoft Windows 2000. PS: Perhaps it's all the drugs and the thick glasses you wear that prevent you from reading our factually correct timelines. PS2: Your quotes are all made up. Please provide proof that somebody actually wrote those. As it stands, your record of "facts" lead me to belive your entire post is made up. Thank you, -- Dr Martino Cortez, PhD CEO - Martin-Cortez Financial Corporation Copyright � 2002, Martino Cortez.

	by all means (none / 0) (#26)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 01:33:07 PM PST

	Oh please, then point me to multiple non-Adequacy.org factual timelines. What they don't exist? What you're full of crap? Haga el mundo un favor. T�rele su labio sobre su cabeza y trago. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Deux De NAWL, (none / 0) (#31)
	by Martino Cortez PhD on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 02:19:14 PM PST

	Le deux qu'te los de minos boxes. Fa'zely dos harmos. Le qu'ex del se. Te'que le suex demonis le tis'que de'que losdez. Heis le guit'que el de mons -- Dr Martino Cortez, PhD CEO - Martin-Cortez Financial Corporation Copyright � 2002, Martino Cortez.

	On the contrary (none / 0) (#23)
	by iat on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:14:18 PM PST

	OpenBSD and Solaris aren't dekstop OSes either. Solaris means purchasing a Sun Sparc system. Not exactly a desktop now is it? That's nonsense. You accuse Adequacy of being biased, and then you come out with crap like that. Answer me this question: Have you ever used Solaris or a Sun Sparc for any length of time? I thought not. If you bothered to do any research before shooting your mouth off, you'd know that a Sun Ultra 10 is an affordable yet powerful desktop machine that runs many popular desktop applications, including Microsoft's industry standard Internet Explorer web browser. Solaris is more capable as an OS for both server and desktop use than Linux can ever hope to be. By the way, Solaris is available for x86 architectures too. You may want to ditch Linux and give it a try. paint MS as the savior of the computer, the Internet and the entire world as well as the great innovator. Have you ever thought that maybe this is true? Microsoft do more innovation in a single week than the Linux and open source movements have ever done. While Microsoft brings us exciting new technologies like .NET and Media Player, the open source community contents themselves by re-writing 1970s operating systems and producing knock-offs of popular commercial software. That's hardly innovative, is it? Besides, without Microsoft it's likely that most of us would not be using computers at all, while an elite few would still be using mainframes. Microsoft is more than the saviour of the computer, Microsoft has defined computing as we know it today. Adequacy.org - love it or leave it.

	uh huh (none / 0) (#25)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:46:26 PM PST

	I thought not. If you bothered to do any research before shooting your mouth off, you'd know that a Sun Ultra 10 is an affordable yet powerful desktop machine that runs many popular desktop applications No it's a workstation. There is a difference. You won't see people with a Sun Ultra 10 gaming rig now will ya? Have you ever thought that maybe this is true? Microsoft do more innovation in a single week than the Linux and open source movements have ever done. Really, so that's why a lot of code in Windows was taken from FreeBSD? Ever think that it's because most open source projects are done by volunteers? While Microsoft brings us exciting new technologies like .NET and Media Player, the open source community contents themselves by re-writing 1970s operating systems and producing knock-offs of popular commercial software. That's hardly innovative, is it? Sorry but .NET isn't available yet. It won't be fully realized until Blackcomb (codename). Until then you have to sit through Server.NET and Longhorn (codename). Besides, screw .NET. Novell's ZENnetworks UP does everything .NET and is not doesn't require a huge platform switch (available Feb 2002). I'm also looking at SunONE as Novell has a tougher battle dealing with Ms superior market. Notice I said marketing not product. Media Player isn't squat. I don't play avi, wma, and other MS formats. I'm too busy with standards like MPEG and MP3. I can't take a 3D tour with Media Player. I can with QT. Besides Ms doesn't innovate it copies. Apple innovates. Oh, look, Plug and Play, and long file names. It's a new innovation. Not according to Apple when both were available for YEARS. It's funny to watch PC manufacturers and software developers doing blatant rip offs of Apple. Oh look an iMac, let's copy it. And why do you refer to it as 1970s OS? Unix is very much alive and has evolved much since the 70s. Would you piss and moan if I called Windows an 80s OS? Think about it. Besides, without Microsoft it's likely that most of us would not be using computers at all, while an elite few would still be using mainframes. Microsoft is more than the saviour of the computer, Microsoft has defined computing as we know it today. People like to think that don't they. they forget how popular the Mac was. If Gates and Company never made it most people would be using a Mac, or running CP/M-86 vX.X I also find it strange that you can knock open source. It's been around longer than Bill Gates and will still be ther when MS takes a dive. i also don't understand how you can talk about how MS software is superior to everything, especially open source when Adequacy runs SCOOP and Apache on FreeBSD. The hypocrite comes to mind. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	You're talking crap again (none / 0) (#33)
	by iat on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 04:31:24 PM PST

	And please stop your trolling. As I am sure you are aware, trolling is strictly prohibited at Adequacy.org. This is your first and final warning. Adequacy.org - love it or leave it.

	These 'fanatics' you speak of... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
	by elenchos on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 02:39:00 AM PST

	...do you know much about them? Do you personally know any of these 'fanatics', as you call them? In your personal expericence, what percentage of the open source community falls into this category? Could you describe what they are like? What makes them fanatical? How is their fanaticism expressed? I mean, what sort of behavior do you observe in these "linux fanatics" that you discuss, as opposed to "linux supporters"? Thanks. I do, I do, I do --Bikini Kill

	fanatics (none / 0) (#10)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 04:27:56 AM PST

	To explain in terms you can understand (as well as a 5 year old), they are extremists. They like to run around talking about how great this is and how this sux and yadda yadda yadda. Example Microsoft sux because it's all about money and power and Bill Gates is a spooled rich boy (although he is since his trust fund was around 5 million, he's got rich parents). This type is usually some teen kid scoping chat rooms. In the Linux camp he's a supporter of Linux but only knows what he's heard and doesn't reall know anything about Linux, Windows, and will install anything that anyone says is "cool", "better than", "superior to", etc. An example from the Windows/MS camp is roughly the same. They spew misinformation, don't really know squat about computers (since MS considers them to be appliances be no longer need to think). They only know what they've heard, constantly attack other software/OSes even though they've never used them (ever watch a Windows luser try to use a Mac, it's DAMN funny). they will go so far as to make stuff up to discredit anything/anyone. They also seem to forget all the problems with MS software and dub it perfection as well as the company. They think just because a company is big that means its products are superior. Many will refuse to follow link to endless sources which prove they are idiots and refuse to acknowledge them because they make these fanatics look like retards. Yes, this link which points to microsoft.com is a clever disguise for a virus. Windows fanatics are the funniest though. I mean you should know that because the vast majority of the editors and readers are Windows fanatics. I mean the simple fact that your twisted facts need to be scrutinized endlessly and you continue to post the same innaccurate arguments over and over and over. Newssite, please. You all have lowered yourselves to pathetic "Linus sux because it sux and that's why it sux (and it's well beyond your grasp of computing which to you is nothing more than point and click). Best example of idiocy, patheitc arguments and name calling, and otherwise making shit up osm Nobody takes your attempts at intelligent thought seriously. Adequacy.org, the most comedic site on the WEB. The whole WWW laughs at you. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	I see. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
	by elenchos on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 06:22:05 AM PST

	So how does one turn into a fanatic? What is it that makes an otherwise normal person begin to behave in this way? Is it caused by being someone who "only knows what he's heard"? That would mean that fanaticism is the result of ignorance alone, right? Or is it caused by a desire to be "cool"? Because you always want to be "better than" something, right? Are there certain types things that elicit a fanatical devotion? Is anyone suseptible to becoming one? And once the fanatical behavior begins, it increases doesn't it? Why is that? Is something reinforcing the fanaticism? Are others responding to the fanatical behavior in a positive way? I do, I do, I do --Bikini Kill

	Linux on the desktop is dead. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
	by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 04:42:03 AM PST

	If you don't think so, you should read this: "i'm now much mroe tempted to leave x behind and move onto something new. imho linux wont succeed on the desktop. macos -x has a unix kenrel and aMUH nicer ui layer - and has the apps people want. windows is entrenched. linxu wotn win. it will be marginalised at best. unix workstations are marginalised. even if every sgi, every sun workstation, etc. were now linux desktops - linux hasn't won. i'm nto eher either to say linux must rule the world - linux is conveient. it works. i use it. but i'd like to help build somehting that succeeds - and the desktop isnt going to be it - despite the efforts of people. some may disagree - a lot may. so be it. linux missed its chance for the desktop. it's over. move on." There you have it, from the creator of the only decent unix UI. No other Lunix programmer was able to understand what GUI programming is about and eventually the one who understood gave up and left. I can't say that I blame him when I consider what a bunch of morons and idiots most Lunix users are.

	nice, but spleliign sux (none / 0) (#13)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 06:45:30 AM PST

	That's a nice little post. It's someone thoughts. I personally have never said that Linux based OSes had to be extremely popular. I am a strong supporter of embedded linux. I think Microsoft argument of WindowsXP embedded versus embedded Linux was a joke. Linux is works very well as a server OS. People often forget that software success isn't measured by whether or not there is a desktop version. Don't forget that not everyone uses Microsoft software or thinks it's the best way to go. There's an assumption there is only one winner. That's never been the way of technology, because different people have different needs and what works perfectly well for one individual may be anathema to another. Some people may not be comfortable with the Microsoft track record. So much for trusting a big company with their vital, proprietary data. And this is the same Microsoft that wants to hold everyone's credit and financial data? To understand the above quote you must understand some of what Microsoft .NET has to offer. MS believes that instead of storing information locally or on servers within your own network, you should store it at MS. So in other words, instead of hacking a number of sites, the bad guys will go to only one. A single DDoS attack could cut off access to your data costing your company millions in lost revenue Who really cares what OS you run anyway? As we move more to browser based OSes and concepts like Microsoft's .NET (which will really only benefit Windows users) Sun Microsystem's SunONE, and Novell's ZENnetworks UP (which will do everything .NET is supposed but will be available February of this year) it really won't matter. Every program will run no matter what OS you're using. The PC may become a thing of the past in the work place and in many homes. They will be more like thin/fat clients. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Eh (none / 0) (#43)
	by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:24:34 PM PST

	To be honest, I don't know how well those kinds of things will do. Really, when AMD & Intel move away from the x86 ISA ( Instruction Set Architecture, the bridge that allows software to be universal ) and they start using something that has a native ISA interface, they will no longer have the NEED for legacy apps ( Legacy, from my understanding, comes from the need for older applications to be able to run on newer versions of the x86 ISA ). This means we can convert OS's to something a little bit more useful if the corpers are smart enough. Basically, though, as long as corporations control technolgy, we'll never get as far as we could be right now. :-( But to be honest, the systems such as Windows, Linux, Solaris, and everything else have no place in the future. All of their systems have enormous limitations and aren't built with new technology in mind, but rather are built with OLD technology in mind. Nothing new takes FULL advantage of the new hardware's technology because people are too concerned with enormous amounts of backwards compatability. Personally, I think all Systems should use a native ISA interface where the software controls the backwards compatability, but that's the future -- not the present.

	morons and idiots (none / 0) (#14)
	by lordzork on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:29:42 AM PST

	it's true enough that most linux users are morons and idiots. but if you feel that this is somehow a reflection on the quality of linux itself, then you yourself are probably a moron and idiot. most windows users are morons and idiots. most mac users are morons and idiots. the fact is, most of the people on this silly planet are morons and idiots, regardless of what operating system they use or don't use. moronism and idiocy are not limited to certain artificially constructed classification systems. they are the all-pervasive force that governs the affairs of men.

	for example... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
	by lordzork on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:34:18 AM PST

	the person who posted this diary is a moron and idiot. this observation has nothing to do with the actual contents of the diary, which aren't even worth commenting on.

	An appeal to geeks (none / 0) (#17)
	by First Incision on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 09:30:10 AM PST

	Please, for the good of Adequacy readers, do not post diary entries like this. Every time geek or anti-geek comes along and posts some "Linux" or "Open Source" or "Hacker" article, angry mobs descend from "/. or "k5" or wherever the hell it is that they are from. This slows the site to a crawl, and makes it very hard to participate in the non-tech discussions that are Adequacy's bread and butter. I am not dismissing your opinions as invalid (I didn't bother to read your article) and I am not saying that Linux isn't a worthy discussion topic. But there are places to discuss this kind of stuff, and they generally have the bandwidth to handle this sort of thing. I graciously request that you do your Linux-talking elsewhere. _ _ Do you suffer from late-night hacking? Ask your doctor about Protonix.

	no kidding (5.00 / 1) (#18)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 09:51:20 AM PST

	Linux isn't a worthy discussion topic I understand. It would make more sense to discuss Linux or computing in general with people that actually know what the hell they are talking about. I mean dear god, token IPs, modem v-chips that read ROM to see if you're being hacked, IP passing, Linus Torvalds attending Berkeley, Richard Stallman creating the first Apple computer? I mean , come on... Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	!clue (5.00 / 1) (#83)
	by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jan 17th, 2002 at 02:00:18 AM PST

	I actually think this whole debate would be more entertaining if you actually knew what you were talking about. You've gone on and on and on and on about Linux so much I should imagine your sore from sheer mastubatory effort. If you dont stop soon it'll drop off, which on second thoughts would probably be a good thing because then we wouldnt have to worry that you might one day (I realise this is highly unlikely) reproduce. Please accept the fact that your not going to win any converts here. Your not preaching to the cult like taco & crew over at /.. I dont think I'm out of line in speaking for everyone here when I say that at the web's most contraversial discussion site we believe in things like logic, truth and reason. Doesnt the fact that you've been prattling out the same garbage ever since you arrived and have yet to convince anyone as to the truth of your arguments mean anything to you? Are you so arrogant as to believe that you are somehow infallible? Accept that this debate has been had, everyone has discussed it and learned something new and has formed new opinions. Relentlessy churning out the same old crap arguments in your diary wont convince anyone and just reveals you for the foolish fanatic you really are. One last note, you may notice that this post consists entirely of an ad homein attack. That is because you are the problem. Your wasting time, space and money (to someone along the line). I should imagine the only reason the editors havnt nuked your account & posts wholesale is because your doing such a stellar job of playing the part of the Linux fanatic, lest we ever forget just how far beyond reason you types are. Please, put up or shut up, thats all I ask. -- Nick Time for a ciggy...

	*yawn* (3.66 / 3) (#30)
	by SpaceGhoti on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 02:14:56 PM PST

	If I cry "uncle" will you stop? You see, I just don't care. Arguing Linux on this site is like arguing birth control to Catholics. You may have a point, and it might even be relevant, but you're not going to get through to the pack mentality that will rise up against you. The OS holy wars aren't worth the time or trouble. "Proof" is irrelevant to this site, and logical arguments are only effective with open minds. Just let it slide off, man. You'll save a lot of useless angst that way. A troll's true colors.

	Keunwoo Lee is right (none / 0) (#37)
	by because it isnt on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 05:05:59 PM PST

	you're not going to get through to the pack mentality that will rise up against you. Tell me about it. I left the other other site because of all the moronic groupthink, and I came here in the hope of decent some free-thought. What do I get? A whole load of college boys whooping "Lunix" all the time. Thankfully, at least some users (etc, etc) have the decency to discuss matters seriously and honestly. adequacy.org -- because it isn't

	Idiots (1.00 / 1) (#32)
	by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 02:26:56 PM PST

	I have read many articles and replies on this site completely for amusement. There are so many idiots such as Yoshi it is unbelievable that this can exist. He is obviously able to form thoughts, but where the hell does he get his ideas form?! I'm singling you out yoshi cuase u r in this thread, but there are many like you. nawl and madscientist what do you hope to accomlish here? These ppl will not listin to anything. I know my spelling is bad but oh well.

	nothing to see, move along... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
	by Yoshi on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:51:45 PM PST

	Listen, "Anonymous Reader," if you do indeed have a factual disagreement with me, you obviously aren't confident enough to actually cite it. So take your offhand and flaming remarks to a site that encourages it, because your kind is not wanted here. If you have something to say, reply to me directly, because I don't have the time to keep replying to you trolls who cite me in their own offtopic escapades, attempting to elicit responses for your own nefarious purposes. You're lucky you've not been banned from this site, because the intelligence quota that you emit is certainly lower than what is required to formulate a response here on Adequacy.

	you'd think they'd stop rising to it (none / 0) (#68)
	by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 08:50:56 AM PST

	but no, it gets 'em every time, teehee. sUx0rZ, as I believe they call themselves.

	I could hardly play it... (none / 0) (#76)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 15th, 2002 at 05:37:18 AM PST

	through the tears of laughter streaming down my face.

	One other thing: (none / 0) (#82)
	by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jan 16th, 2002 at 04:05:46 PM PST

	"Half of the linix itself is stolen from Microsoft's mainframes, which explains why everything that the KDE (Kommunist Desktop Entropy) system makes is stolen from Microsoft's secret codes called "APIs" (Application Pictoral Interface) that they licenced from large companies that outsource their API divisions." Taken from the post I Replied to. SO yeah, someone DID NOT know what API's were AND said they were made by Microsoft...

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